Trans rights don't effect women's rights.

You've only proved you're young and brainwashed. The thread will go anyway and you have no proof of anything

Actually I think it should stand. Mega cringe worthy this is.

The attitudes, fear and discrimination that I see on this board towards trans people are comparible to previous attitudes, fear and discrimination that people had towards black people and gay people. The groups are different and the specific arguments are different, but the basic attitudes are the same.

Not really. You're making the argument that there should be no segregation by sex at all - ie, all changing rooms, toilets, prisons and hospital wards should be mixed sex. Do you support that?

If not, and you believe that trans people should be an exception, please could you explain what characteristics are shared by all women and transwomen that are not shared by any men or transmen that would warrant separation on the basis of gender identity rather than sex?

Soreen, warmed, with a little salted butter.

I teach all young people that their sexuality is there's [sic] and it doesn't come with rules. Well that's all right then.

That yes a trans woman can be a lesbian In what specific ways can a transwoman (born a male bodied person) be a lesbian?

Oh and my boobs also get in the way of my pull, affecting my stance.

Males never have that problem funnily enough.

[quote ASugar]@BlackWaveComing Good thing she's no longer my mum anymore.[/quote]
Has she transitioned?

By saying that trans women are somehow less, you are basically doing the same thing. You are attempting to justify exclusion because you have an irrational fear of something that you do not understand.

What a funny thing to say. No one is saying that trans women are "somehow less". We are saying that they are male. Which, in today's society as in every other, we are well aware counts for being more than a woman, something which we can see being borne out in the fact that every organisation and institution from universities to prisons has bent over to prioritise their demands, obliterating women's rights to not have to share a bedroom in university halls or a prison cell with a male.

Priceless.

archery is not going to be affected as much

Wrong.

I use a 32lb recurve. I can pull a little more but not easily or comfortably.

Novice males can already pull that and more.

Experienced males have bows that I cannot even pull.

nancywhitehead The argument is that transwomen are as potentially dangerous as other males. Feminism does tend to recognise that males are sometimes a threat to women.

Tara Hudson (an actual mostly transitioned trans woman) should never have been getting sexually assaulted in a men's prison

I agree that mtf transitioners should not be assaulted in a men's prison. That doesn't mean they belong in a women's prison.

Women's spaces are not to be used as a safe harbour for anyone who might be at risk in a male space - other solutions are available.

As always back to the toilets, it’s so deeply deeply tedious 🙄 arguing that men should be in women’s prisons or refuges or playing sport against women or taking up women’s places on sports teams is so much harder isn’t it?

And nope we’ve always known when a TW was in our spaces but funnily enough as women learn very early on that men have the capacity to cause us great harm, we let it go because in the past we were talking about old school transsexuals of the kind TRA hate so much. Also because actually ppl are not generally cunts, we weren’t going to point and go “you’re a bloke”.

But we’re not talking about them now are we, we’re talking about any man who just feels like it being able to walk in on the basis after all acceptance without exception right?

A lot of the problems are due to misinformation and because the trans community is very laissez faire (we have to be).

That's one of the most hilarious things I've ever read. The only trans community are the loudest, most privileged group in western society these days. They have had laws bent to their will inside about ten years. In comparison it took women hundreds of years to get even the most basic legal protections. Also less likely to be a victim of crime than women.

But yeah, the trans community are so quiet and unassuming that people barely know they exist.

Imagine blaming your mum for your inability to spell. What utter nonsense you spout. Grow up. Go away and learn how to present a good-faith, evidenced and logical argument supporting your assertions.

People used to think that black people were dangerous. People used to think that they had to be segragated for white people's safety, and they justified it by saying that they were in some way lesser human beings, and there were even studies that posited that black people were somehow closer to neanderthal man and less developed, even that they didn't feel or think in the same way as other people.

By saying that trans women are somehow less, you are basically doing the same thing. You are attempting to justify exclusion because you have an irrational fear of something that you do not understand.

OP - let's say a TW is a convicted rapist. Do you think a woman should be sharing a cell with her? Would you be happy with that yourself?

Can people please stop picking on the OP's spelling and grammar? It's perfectly clear what they mean.

I generally agree with the principles of the posters on this board, but why not engage with people's questions and points in good faith. You can disagree with someone without being an arse to them.

In fact there are protections in place in the Equality Act which ensure that they have the right to use whichever restroom they like.

The EA2010 specifically allows for certain sex-based exemptions. Please stop misrepresenting the law.

“And lastly, please stop believing everything you read online”

Good point. I’ll go and do some research to see if the things you have said are actually true rather than taking your word for it.