Mumsnet Says They Are Trans Friendly; What do you think?

I don't know why my post was deleted. Can we not mention Enid Blyton now? Fed up of this place today.

Not really relevant on a feminism chat board, to be honest.
Personally, I think gender is oppression so I'm not interested in any gender based conversation. I am really interested in women's sex based rights- it took me until late in life to realise how important they are, I'm ashamed to admit.

What's with all these posts

Mumsnet told them on twitter that everyone is welcome to post here, and that they remove 'cis' if it's used to be deliberately offensive but it's not necessarily a banned word.

So now people feel the need to come and rub these policies in our face as if we haven't know about them for the last few years already, and to EdUcAtE us, I guess.

A reminder to OP that this is the Feminism chat board, formerly known as Feminism and Women’s Rights (FWR) so what we're interested in discussing here is feminism, or issues seen through a feminist lens.

If you want to talk about something to do with feminism, then this is the right place. Discussing whether MN is “trans friendly” doesn’t really come under that rubric IMO, but clearly you might see it differently.

Perhaps you would like to come back and explain why you think this question is even relevant? Because I’m just not seeing it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4181342-Non-binary-confused-and-sad

@Faffertea

On the first page a poster saying their daughters prefer to be called 'they' but then goes on to use 'She' the rest of the post

It is perfectly right that people are able to discuss how the law is written, applied and fails and how it isn't enforced for certain vulnerable groups. Or groups which should be safeguarded are being left exposed or worse still actively targetted, radicalised or exploited.

It is right that we should be able to debate ethics, morality and weaknesses in law and potential law.

It is right that we should be able to discuss abuses of power and where people are being silenced by powerful groups. Especially if they deliberately misrepresent the law.

Do you take issue with these things?

If so would you like to expand on why women in particular should not be allowed to discuss these things on the internet?

Is Mumsnet really a trans friendly space?

We're all completely different, unconnected people. Some of us are friendly people, some aren't. Pretty much everyone on this board is passionate about women's rights.

Do you believe that advocating against trans people’s existing rights is transphobic or anti-trans?

No not in the slightest

Do you think these existing rights for trans people are “interesting” enough for “debate”?

Yes. In particular protecting the sex based protections of women who have been raped or sexually assaulted.

Do you think the term cis should be censored?

I have a preferred noun and it's 'woman' - I'd rather be referred to as a woman not a cis woman please.

Am I safe asking for/providing advice here as a trans person?

Assuming you are posting this from the safety of your home I'm sure you are quite safe.

Well the first 2 would be deleted if it were to happen and the last one isn’t true either

Just because you think so doesn't mean it is @TheLovleyChebbyMcGee

Thelovely
I agree that would be unacceptable. Perhaps you could share some of these posts that you’ve seen?

This is FWR. We centre women and girls in our feminism, including those who are female but identify as non-binary or trans men, but we’re not a hive mind. Many of us reject the label ‘cis’ and consider it offensive. We object to other people labelling our identity as much as you do. We don’t generally censor our feelings or opinions because another use might be upset by them (and if you think that’s bad stay away from AIBU!) but posts are strictly moderated here compared to other parts of the site and genuine transphobia is reported and deleted. There are a number of trans posters as well as the parents, partners, siblings and friends of trans people here.
If you’re genuinely interested in knowing what goes on, then read some threads. There’s one called ‘Break It Down For Me.’
However, if what you’re here for is to drop a goady post and to then run back to Twitter crying transphobia because someone disagrees with you then you may find Mumsnet ‘intolerant.’

I think the vast majority of mumsnet is transphobic. They resist using peoples preferred pronouns, deadname people, and assume that trans people want access to single sex spaces to rape women

Safe? How offended would you be by someone handing you a grip? That happens a lot.

I think if you engage in good faith discussions you will be extended that courtesy back.

Feminism is for females, so the focus in this section is concerns of female sexed people of any or no gender. Just like a paper crafts section wouldn't focus on crochet, or a breastfeeding section on gravy recipes. Unfortunately people sometimes misinterpret women talking about their sex specific needs and concerns as being transphobic which can lead to antagonism.

I hope you enjoy your visit to mumsnet.

I think this is a safe, friendly place to those who enter wanting actual informed, respectful debate.

Have a read of some threads to get the feel.

Don't Cis anyone though, lots of people here (including me) find it offensive.

MN are quick to moderate these boards so you'll be hard pressed to find anything transphobic, despite what Twitter says!

X post GCA

And yes, in terms of safety, there was an intern a while back who shared a load of personal info from feminist posters so that trans rights activists could track them down in the real world and have them fired etc. I was one of them, but luckily I’m self employed so although they were able to target my business they couldn’t get me fired.

I’d be careful how much personal info you give away if you’re worried about safety online OP.

WRT online safety, there was a site hack here a few years ago (Jeffreygate) where some users passwords were compromised but I think its as safe as any other place on the internet. But I think it goes without saying that everyone should be careful on the internet and a publicly accessible forum can only be so 'safe'.

Good point. Also worth mentioning that there was an intern called Emma a while back who doxxed users on the Feminist board. I think MNHQ had to report itself to the ICO.

This goes for any new poster who arrives with a big fanfare and demands to be pandered to

Interesting parallel as we've seen even this week how hard some lurkers can find it to dip their toes in here, isn't it...

Hi OP - welcome to MN!

Am I safe asking for/providing advice here as a trans person? Why? Why not?

I don't see death and rape threats being left standing on MN, whereas I have on twitter. If you feel safe on twitter, I can't see why you would feel less safe here.

WRT online safety, there was a site hack here a few years ago (Jeffreygate) where some users passwords were compromised but I think its as safe as any other place on the internet. But I think it goes without saying that everyone should be careful on the internet and a publicly accessible forum can only be so 'safe'.

MNHQ get DDOS attacks quite frequently, but they do pretty well considering.

Don't cis me.

I too am puzzled about being non binary AND Trans
Still, you do you OP

Oh beg your pardon xe/xem

Bloody hell autocorrect does not like those pronouns!