Mumsnet Says They Are Trans Friendly; What do you think?

I had a far more accepting view of transwomen before transactivism radicalised me against gender ideology.

I think feminism has to be intersectional in order to be true to it's end goal of equality and equity, and given that I believe that trans women are women, it's very important for trans women to be included in that intersectionality. So, if this chat forum really is about feminism, it follows that it should be trans friendly as well (ie., not misgendering, not being invasive, no negative blanket statements / stereotypes).

So you believe that there is only your definition of feminism and anyone who views it differently shouldnt speak and shouldnt debate why there are potential problems with the concept of intersectionality?

And any alternative views on feminism should be automatically silenced on the basis that you don't like them?

This type of feminism has plenty of platforms. Its dominating current politics.

I personally think thaf identity politics like this really miss the point of how women are vulnerable and this creates a hierarchy which doesn't reflect real world situations and experiences.

I also think that looks at things from gender rather than on the basis of sex really miss the point of why and how women are abused and harmed around the world - including before birth.

Strangely enough MN is unique in being targetted initially at women who have just become parents and gone through the process of birth etc. So this element of sex rather than gender being important is particularly relevant because of the period of life or their experiences of MNs user base. MN is reflective of its demographic. A demographic which is one of the most under represented politically in the UK because of the issues relating to childcare which make it difficult for women to find their political voice in other formats.

What people are concerned about is that a rapist could say they were trans and gain access to female only spaces.

I'm also bored to death by trans lobby groups trying to occupy every space - in real life and online

I do however find it important to provide information like my pronouns and gender identity in the hopes of progressing feminism going forward

You're regressing it.

I think feminism has to be intersectional in order to be true to it's end goal of equality and equity

Its.

I am nonbinary trans and use xe/xem pronouns

Yes OK.

A major thing I've seen come from this forum is people saying "trans women are not women" and subsequent misgendering and exclusion, but I'd like to know if that's just a vocal minority, as some have said already, or if it's truly a majority on this forum.

No, I don't believe TWAW. I believe that a woman is an adult human female and that gender is oppression.

I think feminism has to be intersectional in order to be true to it's end goal of equality and equity,

Why do have a stake in defining feminism at all, given that you don't identify with womanhood? I mean, it's like me going onto the Black Mumsnetters board and telling them what anti-racism should consist of. I disagree that feminism should centre either people who don't identify with womanhood or who identify with a stereotype of it. It's a total distraction from dealing with the many and very real problems that women face. There is plenty enough for us to do dealing with female people's rights without having to centre people who are not female or don't identify as such.

Well I've never seen a mumsnetter threaten to beat, punch, kill or rape a transperson posting on this site.

But I've seen plenty of TRAs threaten to beat, punch, kill and rape women on Twitter for being GC.

So my question for you OP is this: why are you focusing your attention on women, mainly mums, who want to protect the right for girls and women to have single sex spaces, instead of focusing your attention on stopping TRAs from threatening to kill and rape us for not sharing their ideology?

How about you start with explaining exactly how TWAW without using stereotypes or circular logic?

And to be fair OP, while I disagree with other feminists quite hotly on this topic, I do believe that as a feminist board in principle it should be possible to centre women and womens problems. The issue is that every bloody thread is about trans women 🤔

OP no I do not think trans people are particularly welcome here.

I think that any discussion centred around trans women would not be taken well as it is well known that there is, regardless of whether anyone considers it right or wrong, a large community of trans exclusive/gender critical feminists who take a hard line against the concept of transgenderism.

I imagine you would be welcome if you identified yourself as trans and participated in discussions not about the "trans debate" but if you commented directly on it then you would be met with a mix of people who genuinely believe in trans exclusive feminism and a proportion of thinly disguised transphobic posters. I believe there would be a smaller proportion of people with a similar POV as you on the "trans debate" and these would be found generally outside of the feminism board.

Objectively I think that is a pretty accurate description of what your experience would be in this website. Mumsnet can be wildly different depending what board you post in though, and AIBU is a clear example of that

All this is to say, I’d like to hear your (Mumsnet’s users’) opinions on the matter. Is Mumsnet really a trans friendly space? Do you believe that advocating against trans people’s existing rights is transphobic or anti-trans? Do you think these existing rights for trans people are “interesting” enough for “debate”? Do you think the term cis should be censored? Am I safe asking for/providing advice here as a trans person? Why? Why not?

From the few threads I have read on trans issues here I wouldn't say it's not a safe space, but just that a lot of women here take issue with the things that appear to be eroding/affecting women's rights and issues - for example changes of language to erase the word women or using terms like 'chestfeeding' to negate the mention of breasts.

I think most here would say agree that trans people deserve equal rights completely, but that the general language and measures around women shouldn't be erased to accommodate this.

@Faffertea you asked for examples, so what were you expecting me to do but provide examples?

I used the @ as its an allowed feature and see lots of others use it. Including yourself

Welcome, Nightinghawk.

If you identify as non-binary, may I respectfully ask what your interest in feminism is, and why you believe you know what's best to progress it? Thank you.

@Nightinghawk ....against trans people’s rights...
Exactly what rights are you talking about?

I think that's a (vocal) minority and not the majority

@AnotherEmma I do hope its just the very vocal few. I did know a person in real life that posted on Facebook to 'gather the troops' and join mumsnet for the sole purpose of stirring up trans hate. I say 'did' as I've since blocked them after they were asked to leave our sports team for abusing a trans member. So maybe it is just the hateful few.

I'm mostly worried in the case of transphobic comments, like misgendering, threats, and other harassment that I've recieved online elsewhere. I don't provide my real name, location, or other identifying information online.

No one on these boards will threaten or harass you. They will ask rigorous questions though. The main threat on here is, as has been said, doxxing, so make sure you don't use an email address that can identify you and don't give away information about yourself, as that is what the TRA intern on here used to try to get women threatened online and sacked from their jobs.

Welcome to Mumsnet OP.

Please don't use cis, ta.

Argh, for an edit button! Should say:
I agree using she not they can seem rude or disrespectful.

Thelovely
I haven’t read that thread fully but I think the post you’re referring to on the first page is a poster talking about 2 people she knows who have asked to be referred to as ‘they.’ I agree that referring to them as ‘she’ when they’ve requested ‘they’ pronouns but firstly you have no idea how that poster refers to them irl rather than anonymously online and secondly I don’t think that equates to what you claimed in your post. Presumably you also post on 4chan, Kiwifarms etc to object to the transphobia there (which I believe can be very unpleasant).
Also, please don’t @ other posters, it’s considered bad manners.

This thread is like groundhog day as it seems suspiciously like this one: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4182056-Mumsnet-says-Trans-Rights-are-Human-Rights

I wonder why new members think it's okay to plough into a feminism chat board about trans rights. Weird.