Mumsnet Says They Are Trans Friendly; What do you think?

OK have managed to RTFT here, and had a poke about on the other similar one, and one thing that has occurred to me is that this is an anonymous internet discussion forum.

Anybody could be anybody. One can glean a bit of insight into what a person posting is possibly like based on their style of writing, the subject matter etc etc. Even so, one has to take it at face value to a certain degree and accept they are " posting in good faith" until proven otherwise etc.

So it made me wonder why if TWAW they don't just rock up, post as women, chat about their womanly issues and just become part of the sisterhood they have always been a member of? We'd never know anything different as no doubt they would be invested in women's rights in general, safeguarding etc if they were posting here in solidarity, which I for one would absolutely welcome. It wouldn't preclude debate because the many various women here have many and varied opinions anyway.

Just wondered, that's all.

To be incredibly simplistic about it, I find myself to be woman, man, and other.

My heart always wrenches for poor Catherine of Aragon. Brought up in Spain to speak Latin as the international language of communication in the expectation of a foreign marriage, she got to the English court of Henry VII and couldn't communicate after all. Only the bishops could understand her spoken Latin because of her Spanish pronunciation.

That is a bloody excellent rule to live by, Potholes

I think my late mother said much the same, and told me that since I was self-teaching out of school (she was of the last generation to do Latin at state school) to skip De Bello Gallico just because I could. I did have a look anyway, just because there's never been a time someone told me not to read something that I didn't think, "right then".

I think the discussions on Mumsnet are predominantly and remarkably wide-ranging, interesting, and well-informed.

Also 'cis' is fucking horrible Latin, given that no one reads Caesar for the language. There's a reason why De Bello Gallico is a GCSE text - it's straightforward clunky prose which was good propaganda at the time & is easy to de-code for students just learning the language now.

Alps aside, it never caught on .

I recall being told that church Latin and Roman Latin had different sounds ?

Of course, I'm never normally so gauche as to say anything then, but then they don't normally lecture me on how it's Latin.

I live in a mostly Muslim country & people often assume that I'm Christian.

I'm not - I'm an atheist.

This doesn't 'offend' me, & I don't get pissy about it, because it's actually FINE a) to not subscribe to a particular belief & b) for other people to come up with erroneous assumptions which one simply politely corrects, & everyone then moves on - or at least that's generally how reasonable people behave.

So - I'm not a Christian, & I'm not 'cis'. These are not my beliefs.

I have recently seen first hand, on TikTok, men who tell me they want to repeal the 19th amendment.

If a transwoman, born male, but who wishes to present as a feminine woman, was faced with a world where women were forcibly and legally denied the democratic right to vote, they could, should they choose, present as male in order to have their voice heard.

A biological woman cannot identify out of her biology.

Can you not see that?

Like sissy?

People keep mentioning that it's Latin, and I bet none of you are pronouncing it correctly.

And inflicting words on people who neither want nor need them is just bullying nonsense.

The definition of transphobia used to be fear, aversion, hatred, violence, anger, or discomfort felt or expressed towards people who do not conform to social gender expectations. Mumsnet mums on the FWR boards are on the whole quite non conforming to gender expectations themselves and very tolerant and accepting of these and enjoy a bit of gender non conformity.
The new gender ideology definition of transphobia is a based on Social Justice Theory (reified postmodern theory) it is different and includes not subscribing wholesale to a set of fully formed beliefs about gender, such as a trans woman is literally and for all purposes a woman. But if woman doesn't mean feminine gender to us, it just means we happened to be born with an inny, which is not deterministic of anything, except the potential to gestate a child, then we don't believe TWAW because they were born with outies (which is not deterministic of anything) and are therefore by default transphobic, whether we adore the trans people in our lives or not.
I am non binary. We all are, (or non of us are because its a spectrum). Or gender doesn't exist in any meaningful way at all. Take your pick. The only thing I can't do is reify it as a concrete immutable thing that I can't opt out of or choose to accept, because its meaningless to me. Now instead of being put in one box, we get put in 2 boxes (female and cis) when we didn't want to be in any box at all.

Today they are Latin loan-words whose meaning has very little to do with the original. That's fine. It's what happens with words. But name-dropping that they might originally derive from Latin doesn't magically endow them with more significance than it would if they derived from adjectives in Urdu.

Frankly, it doesn't matter if you're offended by it, the word isn't going away

Ok. As long as you're fine with words that you find offensive not going away too.

I see people offended by 'cis'. Are you also offended by 'straight'? Because the exact same arguments have been made by homophobes.

It's not a slur, it's a completely appropriate word to use in the context of discussing gender and sex. I'm white. I'm female. I'm British. I'm cis. Frankly, it doesn't matter if you're offended by it, the word isn't going away; it's useful and is the correct latin form opposite of trans.

OP, your use of the spoon theory appears to be used as your reason not to address questions that do not align with your own views, yet you appear perfectly capable with a reasonable amount of 'spoons' to allow you post about your beliefs.

As a person with multiple disabilities (as defined by the Equalities Act), I find it quite offensive that you would use the spoon theory as your reason not to answer questions when you are still posting other stuff.

I'd have had more respect for you if you just left the thread to rest and replenish your spoons and address the questions you are evading.

Something must be happening today...

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