Mumsnet Says They Are Trans Friendly; What do you think?

Me neither. They're very hard to read on a phone and the endless repetition is unnecessary. I'm not a fan of the quote facility on here either when a long post is quoted just to make a point about a tiny part of it.

I don't like nested threads either, MN is perfect!

I can't cope with nested threads at all. I've looked at other forums and given up on them fairly quickly because I just can't follow the discussion.

also just a really poor user experience - it's why I very rarely ever reply to comments that reply to mine, because how the fuck are you supposed to find them again? PARENT/CHILD COMMENTS ARE A THING, MUMSNET.

I think it's a better user experience than forums which use nested threads of "parent/child comments". And others agree. They manage fine with having conversations on here. Each to their own.

That link to the definition of multigender is quite worrying. Obviously it’s easy to take the piss, but the level of self policing required, the enforcement of hierarchy and deliberate othering of people who don’t follow or know the rules (which don’t seem to be consistent) is not good.

I agree.

@Impatiens - thank you for that clarification.

I suspect they may be unused to engaging with older women with strong well researched and evidence based opinions who don’t take any crap.

Also, hasn’t the OP flounced off for good now, and blocked anyone who’s also on Twitter, just to make sure that they never have to hear a different point of view ever again? I suspect they may be unused to engaging with older women with strong opinions who don’t take any crap.

Does anyone have any evidence at all that trans people are feminist-friendly? I haven’t see any - in fact quite the opposite - and I wonder (in a not-really-wondering-at-all-because-the-answer’s-fucking-obvious kind of way) why this should be so very much a one-way street?

Also I feel it's FWR at its finest that I commented on this thread when it was at a few pages, come back and there's been 700- comments focusing on one specific aspect of what OP said

Am I missing something or are you? The discussion has been reasonably broad!

Hi NH, thank you for coming over here. I admire every transperson who comes to MN with a genuine interest in the debates that go on here.

I have a question which is not in any way meant to be goady. Why do transwomen want to be called women, not transwomen? I ask because I would have thought that transwomen have a set of issues very particular to being trans (e.g. health issues related to any surgery or ongoing hormone treatments, danger of attack at the hands of physical violent transphobes.) Would it not be healthy and desirable for a society to accept transpeople for what they are: trans, and get rid of all hatred and bigotry. Why not own and celebrate being trans instead of wanting to be labelled 'woman' or 'man' without acknowledging the trans process and struggle?

I think many criticisms of the FWR board fail to acknowledge that the general tone of MN is quite 'robust'. I remember the days when that caused some quite specific legal trouble on the breastfeeding/baby sleep threads, but even now threads on sleep training really don't pull their punches.

Pile ons do disrupt communication, but it's difficult to avoid them when there is no limit to the number of people who can join a conversation. It's not as though they don't happen on twitter. They are part of the nature of social media.

It's pretty common for MN threads in general to focus on some aspect of a post that people find particularly interesting.

Absolutely - just look at the parking threads!

It's pretty common for MN threads in general to focus on some aspect of a post that people find particularly interesting. In this case, I think we're educating ourselves, which is surely a good thing.

Also I feel it's FWR at its finest that I commented on this thread when it was at a few pages, come back and there's been 700- comments focusing on one specific aspect of what OP said

We are focusing on that one aspect because the op posted on Twitter saying that we are ableist because we questioned what the spoon theory was.

I doubt many people outside conception forums would know what EWCM is or what temperature tracking is.

@TheChampagneGalop

Can you imagine wanting to keep track of everyone you disagree with on twitter and then making a blocker that blocks users who follows those people?

But now it’s commonplace to hear of people going to extreme measures to suppress views that don’t align with theirs.

It’s started with #nodebate and no-platforming and has got steadily worse.

Can you imagine wanting to keep track of everyone you disagree with on twitter and then making a blocker that blocks users who follows those people?

Your username is awesome. I too am worried about mine.

In this case, I'd guess it's a term that someone might not realise wasn't necessarily widely known. Everyone is liable to forget that their familiar idiom may be incomprehensible jargon to someone else.

Isn't multigender just "I have an extensive wardrobe?"

I have two accounts; it's fascinating to see the twitter world (and the misogyny) when you're not blocked for over womaning.

I think in the same way that people who have preferred pronouns need to let people know about that (if they would be upset by being referred to by the “wrong” pronoun in their absence), people need to explain when they are using a term that’s uncommon outside of their friendship/common interest group.

When I worked as a family support worker I would ask other professionals in meetings to explain any acronyms and uncommon words and phrases they used. It’s alienating for families not to understand what is being said about them or to them.

It’s a common mistake people make when they aren’t regularly exposed to views that are different from their own.

Posted too soon - I never post anything at all on Twitter so it must be that I'm on a naughty list because of whom I follow.

They really do like to operate in an echo chamber.