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FFS re. Hilaria & Alec Baldwin and normalisation of surrogacy

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PatienceVirtue · 03/03/2021 14:15

www.etonline.com/hilaria-and-alec-baldwins-daughter-lucia-was-born-via-surrogate-161509

The Baldwins, a baby-hungry 'Spaniard' and rich Hollywood male, have had a sixth (sixth!) child six months after having their fifth. Apparently by surrogacy, well it wasn't carried by her obviously. Which means they implanted an embryo or embryos into some poor womb-holder while she was already heavily pregnant with their fifth child.

Why? FFS. I just don't understand it. Originally surrogacy was sold as solution to the utter misery of infertility and I feel a great deal of sympathy with this. But when it becomes the go-to of extremely wealthy families who already have numerous children (cf Kim Kardashian, Robbie Williams et al), then its exploitative and transactional nature is exposed.

I can't bear the way it's become so normalised to use women like ovens. Stop call it carrying a baby, like they're handbags. It's growing a baby from a microscopic dot to a newborn.

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MoltenLasagne · 04/03/2021 09:31

Time and again when I hear about these surrogacy cases I am reminded that you are not supposed to separate puppies from their mothers for at least 10 weeks which is a damn sight more development time for dogs than for humans.

Yet human babies sold under surrogacy get whisked away from their mothers almost instantaneously and its not seen as the cruel abuse it is.

PatienceVirtue · 04/03/2021 09:23

It is so odd - the blind item seemed to suggest that it was an insurance policy and if they arrived at roughly the same time, they'd pass them off as twins.

As ever the answer to most questions is a) money and b) because they can. It's all so insidious though because what rich famous people do inevitably influences the rest of us and becomes more mainstream. I've already noticed that the language around surrogacy is changing - people saying things like 'for future babies, we'd use a surrogate' or 'there's always surrogacy'. A detachment and commoditization.

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WinterIsGone · 03/03/2021 20:44

This is so odd. Did she have any of the others by a surrogate? Did the doctor get the implantation time wrong? Confused

schnubbins · 03/03/2021 20:43

This is so sad, seems like having babies is some kind of hobby .I agree that she must have some serious problems in wanting to have one child after another and documenting it all on SM. Why does he actually agree to all of this is my question?

Sleepyquest · 03/03/2021 20:40

She seems absolutely nuts.
The fake being Spanish was just wild and now this seems like they are trying to get people to forget about that by being even more crazy!!!

persistentwoman · 03/03/2021 20:34

What a depressing story. Babies as commodities to be purchased by the wealthy.

OhHolyJesus · 03/03/2021 20:30

How many children does he have? I think this makes 7?

Hilary has made a living out of having babies, pretending to be Spanish and doing yoga pose for social media, is that right?

zanahoria · 03/03/2021 20:03

Alec Baldwin is 62

womanity · 03/03/2021 20:03

@zzizzer

I can't get past anyone purposefully ordering a baby knowing it'll be torn away from its mother at birth, and knowing damn well that could cause attachment issues for their whole life, issues which they might not even be able to ever articulate let alone resolve.
I always wonder if there’s an upper limit on how old a child can be when you sell/gift it to new parents.
zzizzer · 03/03/2021 19:53

I can't get past anyone purposefully ordering a baby knowing it'll be torn away from its mother at birth, and knowing damn well that could cause attachment issues for their whole life, issues which they might not even be able to ever articulate let alone resolve.

OvaHere · 03/03/2021 19:49

The current commodification of women and children is obscene. They treat it like some kind of hobby.

EachandEveryone · 03/03/2021 19:31

Hes not 70!

missbridgerton · 03/03/2021 19:14

We watched a US documentary on surrogacy a while ago, and I was really really angry and upset by it.

The thought of buying a baby is so far from any moral compass.

As for Hilary Baldwin, she's got some serious mental health issues and I feel horribly sorry for those poor kids.

SmokedDuck · 03/03/2021 19:11

I wonder if AB's age might be a factor in their thinking.

I suspect that when we see these things with celebrities wealth is just a huge factor in so many ways. Another couple might think, maybe new babies at 70 could be unwise? But it's not really an issue financially for them.

megletsecond · 03/03/2021 18:50

There was a blind gossip about this yesterday. I'd been wondering who it was.

Clymene · 03/03/2021 18:49

I think this will increasingly become the norm. 'Too posh to push' will be replaced by 'too important to take the risk of gestating your own child'.

Someone will probably come up with something snappier. Too busy to bump?

Incidentally, I have had a c section. I have nothing against them before anyone jumps on me.

Paying other women to take the risks of pregnancy and deliberately subjecting your own child to trauma is I suspect going to come back to bite them on the arse one day.

OhHolyJesus · 03/03/2021 18:48

I think she would have had to have frozen her eggs a fair while before the pregnancy, after the miscarriage main 2019? Not that I believe this Richardson-Mook character.

"Richardson-Mook pointed out that this is not an easy decision for parents and that it takes parents on average about 50 months to work through the surrogacy process.
If this was the case for Hilaria and Alec, then they would have delved into surrogacy long before she became pregnant with Eduardo."

https://pagesix.com/2021/03/02/hilaria-baldwin-follows-surrogacy-agency-on-ig-after-baby-no-6/?fbclid=IwAR1fqlkmAUp1y6XyzY1UaWYSqc71uVS8RxXgIVVrfuW5rkEEHi34J02wE

SunsetBeetch · 03/03/2021 18:41

But when it becomes the go-to of extremely wealthy families who already have numerous children (cf Kim Kardashian, Robbie Williams et al), then its exploitative and transactional nature is exposed.

Agree with this; it's sick.

Angelica789 · 03/03/2021 16:41

She can barely have had time to harvest her eggs in between her pregnancies and miscarriage. It’s all really weird.

WeRoarSometimes · 03/03/2021 16:23

In a way I find it more worrying when a couple without fertility issues (they've had 5 babies) chooses to find a surrogate mother to nourish and grow a child for them. I guess it is because they can pay and they probably didn't consider there was an issues of ethics.

womanity · 03/03/2021 15:56

@Number3BigCupOfTea

I wonder why she announced this. If I were her I would have stayed inside for a while longer, come off all sm. Waited until nobody was bothering to count the months between her children's ages.
It’s because none of it is about the child’s best interests.
Number3BigCupOfTea · 03/03/2021 15:52

I wonder why she announced this. If I were her I would have stayed inside for a while longer, come off all sm. Waited until nobody was bothering to count the months between her children's ages.

HollywoodTease · 03/03/2021 15:33

The rumour mill says that Hilaria suffered a loss before she became pregnant with their 5th, so when they decided to try again they used the surrogacy option as a backup.

Which would make a kind of sense apart from the timing. If that was the case you would expect the babies to be born only a couple of weeks apart, or the surrogate to give birth first. A 5-month gap is just weird.

As if buying babies and using women as incubators isn't bad enough......

EachandEveryone · 03/03/2021 15:32

Oh its definitely because they wanted a girl.

All the A listers are at it. Its like they want the experience of carrying their own but dont want to do it for the next one like SJP. At least Lucy Liu was honest and said she didnt know when she would beable to take a break from working 😮

Surely theres no way these people have more fertility issues than us normal everyday folk. And all the rich gay couples its like a god given right for them. people.com/parents/celebrities-who-have-used-surrogates/?slide=000c3663-430c-4072-9112-8f0d1141a4be#000c3663-430c-4072-9112-8f0d1141a4be

PatienceVirtue · 03/03/2021 15:21

And yes have always been agog at Ronaldo and what his girlfriend thought when she got pregnant at the same time as some random woman was carrying another random woman's eggs to batch cook some twins for him.

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