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White actress described as woman of colour

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Buttonitboris · 03/03/2021 01:12

So white actress from South America referred to as woman of colour, and there you have it, first sex, now race. Nothing to do with the actress BTW.

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MaMaD1990 · 03/03/2021 08:41

This is so strange. I may be ruffling some feathers here, but why do they have to broadcast people's race? Surely it's enough that a range of races/genders etc are A. Nominated and B. Win. I understand they are trying to make it public to show they are 'making changes' but I would just be irritated if I were used as, essentially, a PR stunt for them to get a gold star for being inclusive. Can they not just be inclusive and leave it at that? Happy be educated of course, would be interesting to hear others views.

ValancyRedfern · 03/03/2021 08:31

Yes a person from Latin America with 100% white European heritage would be consider non-White in the US. Another reason why importing US race politics to the UK makes no sense. I saw an advert recently for a job in Hackney which welcomed 'indigenous' applicants. Indigenous to where?!?! I'm guessing they didn't mean white working class Londoners.

fronz · 03/03/2021 08:24

I find the US approach to race & ethnicity quite confusing.

Beamur · 03/03/2021 08:12

I remember the POC label with Antonio Banderas. We think of Europeans as mostly white, but I agree with fronz as far as I can tell, many US people of Latino heritage seem to see their culture as POC rather than white, even if pale skinned. Skin colour is not always a reliable marker of your background.
One of the whitest, blondest people I know has a Jamaican grandfather. You would not know that looking at her.

AffronttoGender · 03/03/2021 08:11

People really should just stop obsessing about race and skin colour and identity, speak in plain language and boycott this identity politics BS.

fronz · 03/03/2021 07:41

I'm talking about from a US perspective

fronz · 03/03/2021 07:40

I know that

feelingverylazytoday · 03/03/2021 07:35

@fronz

There's a wide believe you can't be latino & white.
This isn't correct though. It's actually very common in Argentina.
fronz · 03/03/2021 07:32

Antonia Bandaras has been referred to as a POC or a Latino despite being Spanish.

fronz · 03/03/2021 07:27

There's a wide believe you can't be latino & white.

fronz · 03/03/2021 07:26

Is this not a result of the face that she identifies as Latina, and in the USA people of Latina origin are considered to be non-White?

That's my understanding.

RichardMarxisinnocent · 03/03/2021 07:24

Sorry meant to say in the USA and some other countries

RichardMarxisinnocent · 03/03/2021 07:23

Is this not a result of the face that she identifies as Latina, and in the USA people of Latina origin are considered to be non-White? I had a discussion about this with my Jamaican DP recently when he mentioned a (white) South American person we know as not being white. I responded with but of course they are white and he was insistant that that person, and other South Americans and Spanish people aren't white, because they are Latino.

merrymouse · 03/03/2021 07:09

This seems to be caused by confusion about the very diverse population of ‘Latin’ America. I suppose in America they are lumped together because there is specific prejudice against Spanish speakers who have emigrated from the South American continent. However, that is a lot of people to lump together!

OverTheRubicon · 03/03/2021 06:59

@Munkeenut

I think it's far more complex when people 'ethnically identify' differently to how observers would categorise them because race has less biological basis compared to sex. Ethnicity is also not just about your genetics it's also about your cultural background. If you're brought up by black adoptive parents, grew up with black culture but have white skin then I can see why you'd identify as black (or at least African or Carribbean heritage). Likewise if you're Asian but were sent to a very white boarding school from the age of 5 and then onto Oxbridge then you may not consider 'Asian' as featuring as part of your ethnicity at all. There are also many people who don't look like their ethnicity - they look paler or more tanned than you would 'expect' given their parentage and therefore oberservers categorisations can be wildly off. The key question is whether these instances impact a disadvantaged and less privileged minority in the same way as appropriation might if the person truly identifies in a way that might be surprising.
Doesn't matter if you went to a 'white' boarding school and then to Oxbridge (which, by the way, is not 'white'), the world will guarantee to remind you weekly if not daily of your skin colour...

But yes, this is an illustration of how difficult it is to define people by ethnicity.

merrymouse · 03/03/2021 06:55

What were they thinking?

Munkeenut · 03/03/2021 06:55

I think it's far more complex when people 'ethnically identify' differently to how observers would categorise them because race has less biological basis compared to sex. Ethnicity is also not just about your genetics it's also about your cultural background. If you're brought up by black adoptive parents, grew up with black culture but have white skin then I can see why you'd identify as black (or at least African or Carribbean heritage). Likewise if you're Asian but were sent to a very white boarding school from the age of 5 and then onto Oxbridge then you may not consider 'Asian' as featuring as part of your ethnicity at all. There are also many people who don't look like their ethnicity - they look paler or more tanned than you would 'expect' given their parentage and therefore oberservers categorisations can be wildly off. The key question is whether these instances impact a disadvantaged and less privileged minority in the same way as appropriation might if the person truly identifies in a way that might be surprising.

newstart1337 · 03/03/2021 06:38

Aren't we all of African descent, aren't we all 'women of colour' (whatever that means)?
What does sex mean, what does race mean anymore!

FortunesFave · 03/03/2021 03:23

Variety are really WEIRD for doing that. For the record, my DD looks the spitting image of this actor and she's the whitest, blondest kid in history.

Ridiculous.

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