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COVID test consent forms asking for gender

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accessorizequeen · 28/02/2021 12:26

I’ve just had to complete forms for my dc at two different secondary schools to consent for them to receive COVID testing. One form asked for Gender and the other for Gender at birth. Neither asked for sex. Can anyone suggest the best way to raise my objection to this conflation of gender with sex. The data is not being recorded properly and there’s no such thing as gender at birth. Who would be behind the form design?

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Wannabangbang · 01/03/2021 21:04

Typical mumsnet Grin doesn't faze me one bit love. My child wasn't confused they are 19 now and still very much of the same belief of whom they want to be. Everyone in RL has excepted him so that's all that matters. People like you are closed minded and it makes you no feminist that you insult those that are trans.

PheasantPlucker1 · 01/03/2021 21:02

SteelMack its a bad idea to sign any forms with incorrect information on, and its an incredibly bad idea to sign medical forms with incorrect information on.

Especially during a pandemic.

ButterflyBitch · 01/03/2021 20:59

No ones sex is assigned at birth, it is observed. Children can not be trans. They can be confused but they’re not trans.
If they want to know sex then they need to ask that question. There’s fuck knows how many sodding genders now so putting gender instead of sex is bullshit. Words and the definition of them matter. These aren’t imaginary issues, they’re important, especially when it comes to the rights and safety of women and children. So yes it fucking matters.

SteelMack · 01/03/2021 20:55

@PheasantPlucker1

SteelMack thats sex.

Obviously I know my childs sex, and if they asked that I could answer easily. But they didnt,they asked for gender.

Can you define the genders?

I know the difference between sex and gender, however, when we're in crisis as a nation and everyone is trying their best to navigate the unknown, can't people let stuff like this go?? I assume they really want sex cos it'll be to do with biological makeup and research of how covid affects, so yes they use the wrong wording by calling it gender, but the the fuck does it matter?
PheasantPlucker1 · 01/03/2021 20:50

SteelMack thats sex.

Obviously I know my childs sex, and if they asked that I could answer easily. But they didnt,they asked for gender.

Can you define the genders?

SteelMack · 01/03/2021 20:47

@Wannabangbang

Does it really matter, in the great scheme of things! I have a trans child, so sex at birth makes sense as everyone is assigned a sex a birth. Best way of wording it and suits everyone.
This is my point!! People should stop making problems where there aren't any. FFS we have enough trouble in this world without creating imaginary issues.
Wannabangbang · 01/03/2021 20:44

Does it really matter, in the great scheme of things! I have a trans child, so sex at birth makes sense as everyone is assigned a sex a birth. Best way of wording it and suits everyone.

SteelMack · 01/03/2021 20:43

@PheasantPlucker1

SteelMack which box?

I have 4dc, none of whom have ever told me they have a gender, so which do I pick?

How do you choose?

I assume you changed their nappies when they were babies? So you'll know the answer to:

Penis = male
Vulva = female

PheasantPlucker1 · 01/03/2021 20:39

SteelMack which box?

I have 4dc, none of whom have ever told me they have a gender, so which do I pick?

How do you choose?

BoeotianNightmare · 01/03/2021 20:18

we are being left no way to be women other than by signing up for stereotypes.

That really hit home for me. Thanks for saying it like that.

Hadalifeonce · 01/03/2021 20:12

I had this on DD's consent form. Luckily the answer box was able to handle me putting
Sex = female

SteelMack · 01/03/2021 20:10

Are you literally looking for problems where there are none? Just tick the box, whatever the terminology!

accessorizequeen · 01/03/2021 20:05

@peak2021

Covid 19 has killed a higher percentage of men. So knowing gender at birth (if you want to use that phrase) is important. To know how good the vaccines are in keeping people out of hospital (men or women).
That’s a higher percentage of biological males, not necessarily those who would identify with a male gender. If the data is important to collect, they need to collect it accurately and they’re not if they ask for gender.
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MedusasBrandyButter · 01/03/2021 19:57

Crossed out gender and wrote in sex.

If you want to have a chance to do this with the census (for this reason: fairplayforwomen.com/why-are-women-fighting-back-against-the-census/), you can still request a paper form at census.gov.uk/en/request/paper-questionnaire/enter-address/

Seventytwo · 01/03/2021 19:54

The whole thing is maddening. I make a habit of writing something along the lines of “gender is a social construction and is therefore irrelevant here; my biological sex is female” but it’s exhausting and makes me feel like a bit of a prat. I’m just hoping that if enough people keep challenging this stuff, organizations will start to think twice about defaulting to “gender” on their forms.

PheasantPlucker1 · 01/03/2021 19:33

My DC school have the same gender question, with the options of male and female.

I have emailed to give consent and explained why I can not sign the form but I am so sick of it now!

How could gender be in anyway relevant to a vaccine for children? Angry

FannyCann · 01/03/2021 18:56

The hospital lateral flow tests that we have to do ask for gender when you log on to record your result. We have all had a personalised Covid risk assessment which starts with recording your age and deducting five years for being female as females are at lower risk than males (there are then additional scores for things like ethnicity and medical problems to arrive at a final score "Covid age").
So every time I fill it in I tick "other" for gender and then in the free text box I write "sex = female". Sometimes if I have the energy I have a little rant in the final free text box where you can record any problems.

It's ridiculous.

merrymouse · 01/03/2021 17:14

So knowing gender at birth (if you want to use that phrase) is important.

I know that there is a whole world of people who use gender and sex interchangeably, but schools, who are responsible for teaching PSHE should be on top of this.

Sex is relevant to covid. Gender isn't.

LaVitaPuoEsserePiuBella · 01/03/2021 17:13

So knowing gender at birth (if you want to use that phrase) is important.

^^
Eh???? I had - and still have - a sex at birth. Never had a gender.

merrymouse · 01/03/2021 17:07

The covid test consent form I received from school said gender with 3 options female, male, non-binary.

If one of the options is non-binary, why are they asking the question?

peak2021 · 01/03/2021 17:04

Covid 19 has killed a higher percentage of men. So knowing gender at birth (if you want to use that phrase) is important. To know how good the vaccines are in keeping people out of hospital (men or women).

BaronessWrongCrowd · 01/03/2021 16:54

I have to take a Covid Test regularly and I put the results on an NHS website. It asks for my gender, there is no other option. I so pissed off.

sarvangasana · 01/03/2021 16:04

I've had two different forms for two different secondary schools, neither asked for sex or gender so I assume it was not compulsory?

MichelleofzeResistance · 01/03/2021 15:47

Crossed mine out, put sex, added please do not enforce on me a political belief that I do not hold.

AdHominemNonSequitur · 01/03/2021 15:36

Our lateral flow test consent form had Gender: male/female.
I crossed it out put sex. Then wrote that though this would have been technically incorrect but perfectly reasonable several years ago, that the current controversial climate surrounding gender and sex means that gender is now interpretted as gender identity, which is irrelevant to covid testing and medical contexts in general.

I assumed it was just lazy use of gender in an interchangable way on a standardised form, but it sounds like it is each school doing their own forms if one school had a non binary option.

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