An inclusive way to be gender critical?

OP I don't understand. You seem to be trying to convince people of what they already believe... What do you think Gender Critical means?

But you are just arguing for what we want already - for rights and services based on sex where how you behave or present is irrelevant. We're already inclusive in that sense. No isssues with gnc people whatsoever. It just has nothing to do with their sex.

I would be interested in hearing what you thought gender critical meant before you wrote this post? Did you think that gender critical feminists were opposed to trans ideology but actually wanted to preserve traditional gender roles?

What is it about your post that you think is more "inclusive" than gender critical feminism?

I think if you start trying to redefine words by yourself then you just end up talking at cross purposes with people and discussions get nowhere.

But a few initial thoughts in response.

What do you mean by inclusive, and why do you feel it is important?

Male and female are sexes, they have distinct meanings, so I don’t think it’s sensible to then appropriate those same words to indicate gender. Masculine and feminine seems more appropriate to refer to stereotypes typically or traditionally associated with a particular sex.

If something is defined by “adhering or not adhering to” then it is absolutely meaningless, tbh. I genuinely don’t know what you mean, because it could quite literally be anything.

Now when you this bit, I’m with you:

safe single sex spaces could be preserved, as people could present themselves however they want, wear what they want but use the single sex space appropriate for their sex without conflict. Uniforms would offer everyone both traditional female and male options which either sex could wear. Ditto with sports, competing takes place within the appropriate sex classes but competitors can wear either the traditional male or female competition uniforms. There would be no confusion and need to agonise over language when providing medical care.

This is all what GC feminism strives for. Just without the need to embrace gender to do it. Gender is irrelevant, or should be, in situations where the differentiating factor is sex. Your opposition comes form people who would argue that if someone feels feminine and likes to present in a feminine manner, then they should be included in female spaces, regardless of their sex. I also don’t think many of the prominent transwomen athletes currently competing in women’s sports would be satisfied competing against men as long as they can wear lipstick and the pink unitard/shorts/helmet....that’s not what they are after as I understand it. They want everyone to agree with them that they are women because they say they are, at the end of the day. The entire world will never agree with them on that.

This is why the way out of this for me is to reject gender - on a personal level I don’t identify with either set of stereotypes and rather than accepting that masculine=male and feminine=female, I say bollocks to it, nope, not for me thank you, I don’t believe. It is freeing. I genuinely think a lot less young people, especially teenage girls, would struggle with gender dysphoria if we smashed gender stereotypes completely for them during childhood, and gendered expectations were never internalised in the first place.

Surely 'adhering to or not adhering to traditional stereotypes ' renders the concept of gender meaningless.
It only has meaning in relation to stereotypes of dress, behaviour etc
Otherwise what are you judging masculine or feminine against?
I don't think my position is oppositional.
You are biologialy male or female but can express your personality in any way you want. All expressions are equally valid but do not change biology.

I agree with the premise of what you are saying, however I don't see any point in redefining gender to mean nothing it all, why not get rid of it all together? Also TRAs talk about gender as something different than what you describe, an innate gendered soul.

Transwomen don't want manhood to make space for their personalities, they want to be viewed as women.
I do however agree that if we could get rid of gender roles all together and live in an entirely equal society the phenomenon trans would disappear. Radical feminists want to abolish gender and have zero issues with men wearing dresses or make up, we are fully inclusive of this already.

I’m pretty opinionated on this subject, I think that gender abolition is the only true gender critical position to take. Every other position still requires a person to pick their “gender” from an ever expanding list of labels/cages. And by choosing any gender you are part of the gender ideology that says we all get to pick a gender and buying into the cage that goes with the label.

Gender is purely a social construct and is the tool of oppression. It is what dictates the stereotypes, roles, and rights of your sex phenotype.

Sex is also a social construct founded in biological differences in appearance- secondary sex characteristics. Which may or may not match your DNA of XX or XY or other combinations thereof. What western medicine has done to 1 in 2,000 infants is perform Intersex Genital Mutilation to get babies that do not fit perfectly into the boy or girl boxes surgically altered until they can pass for whichever sex the parents with advice of the specialist surgeon chooses for them. Many are given replacement hormones as well to match. So, yes while there are immutable biological differences as there are between races, they are not as separate or distinct as we originally thought. There is overlap between the sexes and for at least 1 baby born each day in the U.K. decisions are being taken to surgically alter them to be a boy or girl instead of leaving them the intersex way they were born.

Perhaps the OP misunderstood what Gender Critical means...

I think I see what you're trying to do, but if you define 'female' (I'd say feminine) gender as either adhering or not adhering to stereotypes, doesn't that render it meaningless? Something being a social construct means that it's cultural, not natural in origin. It doesn't mean that an individual can redefine it however they like - that's not how language works. If you tell someone that you're female-gendered, they're either going to think you're (mistakenly) using the word as a synonym for sex, or they'll think that you're happy with or identify with the feminine stereotypes for your culture.

A society in which there were no stereotypes and males and females could take on any social role without being seen as transgressive would be amazing - but that's the abolition of gender, not a redefinition of it. Gender is inherently limiting. The people calling themselves nonbinary and so on have realised that, but they're assuming that they're special for doing so and that everyone else identifies with the box they've been placed in. It's just not true.

I agree with your first paragraph but then you say:

However because gender is a social construct and we are part of society we can define it. I define gender as
Female = adhering or not adhering to traditional stereotypes regarding names, fashion, interests and work roles.
Male= adhering or not adhering to traditional stereotypes regarding names, fashion, interests and work roles.

You seem to be describing an absence of gender roles here. I agree that gender is shaped by society but that is where the problem lies. My sex defines to some extent what I can and can't do physically. I don't want my sex to define what society says it is acceptable for me to do. That is gender.

You are just describing what we already think OP. That's why no one understands. That doesn't mean inclusivity to other groups though.

I think you are confused. We all agree people can present how they want. It doesn't matter to any of us. But it has nothing to do with their sex and sex based rights are what is important.

I've also read your post three times and don't understand what you're trying to say.

What do you mean by ‘inclusive’?

For example, for you does ‘inclusivity’ include male sexed people having access to services, facilities and sports competitions that were previously girls or women only?

Most transsexual people change aspects of their physical sex. They want to be perceived as members of their transitioned sex day to day.

It’s not always about ‘gender’ or clothes or behaviours. At least no more than it is for the average man or woman.

I have short hair and wear trousers.
I worked in a stereotypical 'male' job (IT)
I like lego and blue.

My sex is female.

Gender is a made up social construct.

Your approach is inclusive because it says let people wear and act how they want.
However the 'TWAW' brigade wouldn't go with your approach because they want us to constrain our language and give over our spaces. They don't want gender non conforming men to be accepted as men. they want them to be accepted as women. That's where it all goes wrong.

Male and female are sexes not genders.

The stereotypes you’re referring to are masculine and feminine.

I have no desire to label myself in accordance with any stereotype and don’t think that it is anything other than harmful to perpetuate stereotypes which have largely been constructed to keep women in our place.