An inclusive way to be gender critical?

Radical feminism isn't about having a problem with you expressing views or telling you what you should do. Why would you think that?

Erm, some rather hostile posts, sorry... hyperbole... on this thread....

One of the reasons we are where we are is that the TRA have been playing the long game. They’ve been working on this for years salami slicing away, shifting the Overton window so that in the 21st century we have people seriously having to explain that women are adult human females and that there are only 2 sexes.n

Exactly! Undoing that requires more than just metaphorically bashing them over the head and telling them they are wrong! It requires equal and opposite force. Which includes long game playing and shifting ideologies.

You continually seem to misrepresent what radical feminists are supporting. Why do you think a radical feminist would tell you how you should be? Nobody is saying that

So me expressing my particular views sit comfortably amongst radical feminism?

Laws to protect women and children are made to protect those who are weakest. If you feel you don't need those protections that's great. Thankfully it's still there for those who do.

I have maintained, throughout this thread, that I believe in upholding and protecting these laws.

. This isn't bitterness its self preservation and it's disrespectful to say otherwise.

Well, then I apologise. However, I think over prioritising self preservation can be harmful and make someone miss good opportunities.

OP I'm sorry you were a victim

Thank you but I don't view myself as one.

Being moderate, being kind, presuming that most people are acting in good faith has not worked so far - we are already rolling back women's rights. We are already seeing women being shamed, being silenced for believing scientific facts.

I think it is necessary to play the long game. And the young people I know certainly believe scientific facts. So I don't catastrophise. They are the future. I don't underestimate women's influence on society even when they don't shout and scream.

So how do we get more moderate people onside about a compromise with a group when we're not using the definition that group has for themselves? This makes no sense.

How have TRAs managed? Ideology.

@notyourhandmaid , just read it. However it has not dissuaded me. I too have lived through abuses. One thing it comes down to, for me is persistence. I will not let a radical feminist define how I should be any more than I would let a misogynistic abusive man. I will not let the abuse I suffered make me bitter which I do perceive as a weakness of sorts. It prejudices you and stops you seeing clearly. I am still happy to look for good in the world and engage with all sorts of people. I am not terribly young and inexperienced as some have surmised on this thread. I am nearing 50 and have lead a full life.

OP, this is not a definition used by most trans rights activists and certainly not by lobby groups. Gender non-conformity is not the issue here; quite the opposite. Expressing or presenting yourself as your inner gender is not a requirement either.

I said earlier that I am not talking about engaging with TRAs but getting more moderate people onside. I assume more moderate people are in the majority.

Ummm nope. Has the whole 'Transwomen are women' thing somehow passed you by, then? It seems a bit odd to post a thread which you think somehow magically solves the problem when you patently don't actually understand what the problem even is.

It hasn't passed me by. I just tackle it side on.

Why? I don't understand how this helps. People can dress how they like already. The trans lobby isn't fighting for the right for transwomen to dress as women but continue to use men's facilities. That's not what they want.

As I understand it, some of that argument is made because men's facilities are deemed unsafe. If gender diversity was truly accepted then this would not be the case

If you say that is body dysmorphia then Stonewall, Mermaids, many politicians, many organisations, many celebrities - in other words a whole lot of people with very loud powerful voices will call you transphobic and people have lost their jobs, safety and ability to speak freely for saying similar. I'm afraid you're about 10 years behind what's been creeping in - this is why we're saying there's no middle ground, it's already been taken.

I can quite believe this within certain circles. However, changes do occur within society and not all changes are fuelled by outright conflict.

"Assigned male at birth" suggests that sex is not a scientific fact - it can be assigned - and thus also wrongly assigned (and so changed). "Identifies and lives as a woman" - how can you describe what it means to live as a woman without falling back onto stereotypes. Women (and men!) are incredibly diverse.

I agree with this. However, I also acknowledge gender as a cultural phenomenon. The way to change things, I think is to address and change the culture so gender ceases to be important within it rather than simply tell people gender is not important.