Karis Wilson - Canadian teenager sent home from school

@jamidays you can’t say “Canadian society is very conservative”. It’s a bloody big country and night and day at times between small towns like Kamloops (which probably thinks it’s a city, but it’s wrong) and actual cities. We in an actually city in BC had a look at this and had a laugh. Kids at our schools wear much more revealing and challenging gear all the time. Daily. No one bats an eye. Miniskirts with torn fishnets, tiny belly shirts, anything goes in urban settings. Boys and girls regularly wear pyjamas to school. Unless the school has an actual uniform, then an outfit like this would not get a second glance.

I teach loads of students wearing similar outfits, it's absolutely fine...but then in the UK we don't have anywhere near the same prudish hang ups the North American continent have!
Have taught in both US & Canadian schools and they are insane in regard to female outfits - boys could literally wear speedos to class and it would be fine

My dd's version is actually shorter. Surely the whole point of being a teen is to push boundaries and wear stuff that's not for the office.

DD13 wore almost exactly this today, hers was actually silky! With tights and bovver boots there's no problem surely?

Nothing is wrong with this imo.. I've seen teenagers wear much more controversial outfits, but Canadian society is very conservative.

[quote Wetalkedaboutthis]@missbarbary the young woman is at school. She is not in a nightclub and she is not at work.[/quote]
Oh for goodness sake . I wondered when I only mentioned work if someone would come along with that silly quibble, but thought no, surely they have the intelligence to realise a school is a work place? It's not a place for leisure or a night club? Clearly I was mistaken.

I’m sticking to my opinion that I wouldn’t wear that dress to work or school. It may well be sold as a knee length dress but in the photo it is, in my opinion, not knee length on that actual student. Those of us who are above the average height for women in 1950 when standards were set, do try clothes on. We also need o move about a bit and see whether the material is likely to behave ok doing the intended activity (here a full day at school). I have a number of purchases advertised as dresses that I wear as tops... women who are below the assumed height for a particular brand also make their own adaptations and choices.
That doesn’t mean I think she should have been sent home, but I don’t think it is knee length.

It’s a slip style dress, not an actual slip. Victoria Beckham wore a similar one to Wimbledon a few years ago. I think the girl was trying to make an outfit like the tennis scene in Clueless as 90s styles are very popular right now.

The dress by itself looks more like evening wear but with the turtleneck, it’s is not showing anything inappropriate for school. I think if the lace was cut off, it would look more casual.

It’s not something I would encourage a girl to wear but I wouldn’t make a fuss over it as it just seems like teenage experimentation. If the school sees this happening a lot, then they need to change the rules and not single out one girl for one outfit, particularly not with reasons like “makes teachers uncomfortable”.

There's either a uniform, a dress code or no guidance at all on dress in any given school or place of work.

Assuming there is a dress code, it should contain objective rules that allow people to understand, ahead of time, whether their choices will be breaching the rules or not.

The dress code as quoted in this article is absurdly subjective and exposes students to the whims and personal preferences of the rule enforcers.

In my view, we have the same problem with statute drafting in this country. It's an insidious and ever more pervasive problem.

I can’t remember the last time I saw cleavage in real life. Certainly teenagers aren’t going round with cleavage.

I mentioned cleavage because I clearly have much “lower” standards than most people as to what I find appropriate. Which may invalidate my opinion on this dress, I don’t think sexy is necessarily inappropriate. People who think it’s underwear are likely to be older. Leggings would be considered underwear in the past but it’s completely normal to wear them out now.

I find this aspect of feminism extremely tedious as women should be allowed to dress how they like ideally. If they want to dress sexy, that’s ok. I personally don’t think the outfit is sexy. But I also don’t think we should be policing women’s clothing beyond school/office rules on hemlines and low cut tops.

It’s incredibly hypocritical of daily mail types to froth at the mouth about this outfit when such publications bombard us, including young girls, with photos of women in bikinis etc.

Wetalked, I’m tall. That hem finishes on the thigh. Every time I walked the hem would move up. I would spend the whole day worried about showing my pants.

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It is a dress, there are plenty of similar examples being sold by mainstream retailers.

The school were wrong to shame her. If they don’t want students dressing like that then clarify the dress code it shouldn’t ever be subjective.

I don’t think she should have been sent home and the “making some uncomfortable” criteria is unworkable.

Given that so many posters are saying it’s not suitable for school can one of them define exactly why then ? And given the whole point wa the school code said clothing that is distracting to learning I think my point last night is Totally valid despite being sniped at.

It’s not a particularly revealing outfit. It’s on traditional school colours. Unless you believe it’s impacting on her or others learning in some way (and Id be very interested to hear exactly how) what is wrong with it exactly?

@Wetalkedaboutthis not having a go at you specifically as it was other posters stating it was underwear when it’s quite clearly not and even if it was it’s as I said not at all revealing (although I’m itching as I say that).

Given the counselling centres statement (another??) is there a bigger picture going on?

I think the guys quite right having listened to his entire video and I think more men need to need to provide this sort of challenge. Yes he’s a bit emotional. His daughters upset. Is he making it about him? Can’t see it. Should we say only girls and women need to publically challenge damaging behaviour and men shouldn’t? Is that not the exact opposite of what we actually need? Or are you all thinking we should brush this sort of thing under the rug and not make an issue at all?

Cannot follow the logic on this thread at all unless it was let’s have a go at a man for being a man which is not my brand of feminism.

If she tried wearing this kind of thing in any offices I've worked in she'd be sent home too.
People need to understand that school/work/nightclub wear are not interchangeable.
But I guess all teens test boundaries.

The teachers feelings are irrelevant. There should be a clear dress code and if it doesn't comply then that is the reason.

It was worn for a purpose.
It has achieved that purpose.

This is not about fashion or what clothes are called

Well it sort of is, because words matter. And he’s obviously a dick, but I can’t get worked up about it.

I wore stuff like that to school in the 90s. The fashion was tied died slips over trousers. It didn’t impact my learning. The copious amounts of pot did but the slip not so much.

Slips are called slips because you slip them on/off, they have no fastenings like zips. I’ve got a slip like that and I’ve been told it’s dead sexy. But I wear it under my clothes, or I don’t wear it over anything.

This is one of those fashions for teenagers that comes round every few years when someone (mistakenly) thinks it cool and daring. Then all this nonsense happens for a while. Then it stops because ripped jeans and baggy jumpers come in again.