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Amazon banning “when Harry became Sally”

63 replies

CoffeeTeaChocolate · 26/02/2021 19:18

One step forward, one step back....

Amazon has introduced a new “hate speech policy” and banned a book about trans gender. Conservative media is referred to this as digital book burning.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/republican-senators-send-letter-to-jeff-bezos-asking-why-amazon-pulled-book-by-conservative-author-11614212331

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/freebeacon.com/latest-news/amazon-created-new-hate-speech-policy-before-banning-bestselling-book-on-transgenderism/amp/

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MissBarbary · 27/02/2021 20:46

@sonnysunshine

Just stop using Amazon. There were plenty of reasons before this anyways.
I'm trying to avoid Amazon as much as possible and have been for a long time. Unfortunately they are pretty much the only game in town for e-books. The interface of the Kobe app is awful.

I try to avoid e-books but sometimes at 3 in the morning I just want a non- taxing Barbara Vine rip off to relax with.

EdgeOfACoin · 27/02/2021 20:46

Oh, that looks like an interesting book.

I will try to get hold of a copy.

bourbonne · 27/02/2021 20:39

@PotholeParadies

You need to select a particular participating bookshop and then they get part of the money.
Thank you! I shall give them a try.
PotholeParadies · 26/02/2021 22:36

You need to select a particular participating bookshop and then they get part of the money.

bourbonne · 26/02/2021 21:57

How does Hive work? Do they stock and sell all the books themselves and then donate to independent bookshops? Or do the independent bookshops get involved in stocking books and fulfilling orders?

Not that it matters - I'm happy to give them a try either way - but I couldn't quite fathom it out from their website.

Flippin · 26/02/2021 21:56

Oh good. I will contact Amazon too.

FindTheTruth · 26/02/2021 21:46

Just been chatting to Amazon. and asked them to confirm whether or not it has banned this book. The agent didn't know why it was unavailable and said 'Sure, I've escalated this to the concerned team and you will be notified in 24-48 hours regarding your concern.'

FindTheTruth · 26/02/2021 21:43

I've been a customer since 2003. If this is true and they permanently ban this book for 'hate' speech, I'm cancelling my Amazon account

sonnysunshine · 26/02/2021 21:41

Just stop using Amazon. There were plenty of reasons before this anyways.

JaninaDuszejko · 26/02/2021 21:37

The reviews of the response are excellent though Grin

CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate · 26/02/2021 21:35

I am so glad I cancelled my Prime membership last year June.

Oh the irony of a world leading bookseller banning books!

FindTheTruth · 26/02/2021 21:28

funny reviews though

notyourhandmaid · 26/02/2021 21:24

And they're still selling this 'response' to the original book, which seems really well-researched and not at all BS:
www.amazon.com/Let-Harry-Become-Sally-Anti-Transgender-ebook/dp/B07F3F2WV1?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

PotholeParadies · 26/02/2021 21:23

Encounter Books up above is the publishers, btw. Yiu can get the digital book directly from them

PotholeParadies · 26/02/2021 21:07

Digital download at apple books
books.apple.com/us/book/when-harry-became-sally/id1418912430

PotholeParadies · 26/02/2021 21:00

Got an American stockist for American MNers here. They're rallying behind free speech and have released a statement saying so.

www.encounterbooks.com/features/statement-on-amazon/

Thislittlefinger123 · 26/02/2021 20:54

I'll be buying a copy. I doubt I'll even have time to read it, but how dare amazon decide that debate is hate speech. In fact I'll buy two copies. Up yours Amazon Grin

Precipice · 26/02/2021 20:54

Just had a look and my library region has this (not at my library, but within the county area where they'll send the book to yours no problem). they have Irreversible Damage too, but that one only as an ebook. Some sensible orderer of books there! (They have also gender books in the catalogue, of course).

I'll add it to my next order; currently still waiting on them to get around to sorting my current one out (it's all order-and-collect service). Not the same for the author as buying, but still good for the library to see interest in this sort of thing.

GrinitchSpinach · 26/02/2021 20:51

Ryan T. Anderson is interesting. He is a conservative with whom I probably have very little in common in terms of political positions, but I have heard him speak cogently and compassionately about the problems with gender ideology.

He emceed the January 2019 panel at the Heritage Foundation called "The Inequality of the Equality Act: Concerns from the Left," which platformed several WoLF feminists and the stories of concerned leftist parents of trans-identified children (as well as one male detransitioner). It's really, really worth a watch if you have an hour or so:

This is the event Posie Parker/ Kellie-Jay Keen attended as a silent audience member, for which sin she has been pilloried repeatedly (alongside the dedicated women of WoLF, who don't deserve it either in my opinion. I am glad they accepted a platform from literally the only prominent political organization in America that would give them a chance to speak).

UseHiveNotAmazon · 26/02/2021 20:51

@FindTheTruth

good user name hive

flippin I've tried 5 stores and they're all sold out! Will this spectacularly backfire? 😅

off to hive now

Aaargh, sorry, looks like Hive have sold out of Harry/Sally...

It's been brilliant for other books I've bought recently, though - no need for Amazon at all.

FindTheTruth · 26/02/2021 20:51

bookmarked Hive it looks good. like all the other bookstores, it's out of stock though.

FindTheTruth · 26/02/2021 20:47

good user name hive

flippin I've tried 5 stores and they're all sold out! Will this spectacularly backfire? 😅

off to hive now

BenoneBeauty · 26/02/2021 20:47

Never heard of Hive - thanks for that @UseHiveNotAmazon , will definitely be going there in future.

UseHiveNotAmazon · 26/02/2021 20:44

www.hive.co.uk/WhatsHiveallabout

I'm a convert to Hive for book buying (as you might be able to tell by my username...) - it supports local bookshops.

Dalyesque · 26/02/2021 20:38

i think that explains the ban Frank no one is allowed to be anything but affirming. Sounds like a refreshing read.