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CQC are at it now 🙄

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ChelseaCat · 26/02/2021 15:05

I can see that they’ll be insisting on all healthcare organisations asking for staff/patient pronouns and removing the word women from their vocabulary next....

CQC are at it now 🙄
CQC are at it now 🙄
CQC are at it now 🙄
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NiceGerbil · 27/02/2021 04:48

Not RTFT not all of it.

  1. many women have been and continue to be addressed by names that are not theirs. We have always been told this is trivial. And to STFU. Not words used when you're not there, his hers. But actual incorrect names titles. See all the threads on MN. Majority opinion is, get over it.
  1. I have a work call with 15 people I have never met. They are in different offices, maybe overseas. What's the plan? Do I need to look on the intranet before every meeting to check pronouns? And then remember them? I am terrible with names and faces. As it is. This will be well a lot of work. And there will be long pauses while people look up the pronouns. In the real world. It just doesn't work.

Yes of course if I have a friend or colleague who is trans I will be respectful. Use their name and correct pronouns.

But when you're talking to loads of people you've never met and will never meet again. It's a big research and time sink to check all this out.

It's. Unrealistic in the real world. It just is.

Seventytwo · 27/02/2021 00:59

The CQC is a government agency. I'd love to know why all of this madness is happening under a Conservative government.

Why wouldn't it? The Conservatives don't give a shit about women's rights, as a whole. Neither do Labour, unfortunately, so we're fucked either way.

The CQC aren't fit for purpose so sadly their pronouns claptrap is no surprise.. nevertheless I've sent them a message suggesting they familiarise themselves with the Equality Act and correct their list of protected characteristics accordingly, much good may it do...

DdraigGoch · 26/02/2021 22:19

@FindTheTruth

They're responsible for reviewing puberty blockers etc aren't they? how can they inspect what's going on if they don't recognise sex as a protected characteristic? Like a Baroness said yesterday, it's not for civil servants to change laws.
"Just sign here, Minister. No, you're far too busy to read it, just sign at the bottom..."

Yes, Minister wasn't a sitcom; it was a documentary.

DdraigGoch · 26/02/2021 19:40

@Okbussitout

Tbh I think that whatever views you have (I'm on a thread discussing about not being sure) it's fairly common courtesy to use whatever pronoun and you don't have to believe that the person is a man or woman.

I also feel that CQC are basically a government department. So are going to go with what seems to be the common gov discourse on this ie that pronouns should be respected.

Surely pronouns encourage discrimination. There's a thread on this board describing (among other disadvantages of womanhood) how salesmen and others patronise women and assume that they know nothing about anything which isn't sewing and baking. Some insisting on talking to the male labourer rather than the female expert. Obviously these men should remove their head from their backsides but until that happens, isn't it better that they deal with "J. Smith" (who could be John or Jane) in their correspondence so that they make no assumptions about the person they are emailing?

In any case, the points being made on this thread are that pronouns are a courtesy, not a "basic human right"; that "sex" is a protected characteristic, not "gender".

The CQC is a government agency. I'd love to know why all of this madness is happening under a Conservative government.

ifitpleasesandsparkles · 26/02/2021 19:37

@ChancesWhatChances

A woman is a biological female. A man is a biological male. This is all I have to say on the matter anymore, I no longer have the energy

Yes it tiresome now. I feel like not bothering to even discuss it anymore as that gives the impression it's up for discussion at all. Completely sick of being called a bigot over this.

UppityPuppity · 26/02/2021 19:15

and confirmed that this meets the requirements of the Equality Act 2010.

Does this mean then that the term gender can only be narrowly used as an exact synonym for the protected characteristic of sex?

Potholes - I must have read a different book - In the book I read Mrs Bennett spent the whole novel worrying about 5 people with vaginas , because for some inexplicable reason - the law knew exactly who to discriminate against before the discovery of chromosomes and without the need for genital inspections...

Interestingly, the law managed to discriminate correctly each time.

PotholeParadies · 26/02/2021 18:40

@UppityPuppity

X post with Pothole!

Yes - the CQC therefore don’t believe everyone has a sex! Worryingly...

Dunno what you're talking about. Well known phenomenon. Indeed, as I'm sure everyone knows, Jane Austen's famous Pride and Prejudice details what happens when Mr and Mrs Bennet keep trying for a child with a sex (because the conditions of the entail require a male OR female child as an heir) and end up with five offspring of varying gender identities, but of neither sex.

Whole book about her attempts to marry these sexless adults off to eligible bachelors and bachelorettes.

FindTheTruth · 26/02/2021 18:06

current CQC board
www.cqc.org.uk/about-us/meet-our-team/our-board

FindTheTruth · 26/02/2021 18:04

thanks Uppity how interesting

Written Question
Care Quality Commission
6 Jan 2021, midnight
Questioner: Lord Lucas

Question

To ask Her Majesty's Government whether the Care Quality Commission’s justification for the use of the word gender in the equality and human rights statement on its website reflects Government policy.

Answer (Lord Bethell)

The Care Quality Commission (CQC) has used the word ‘gender’ instead of ‘sex’ in their Equality, Diversity and Human Rights Policy and Principles of Workforce Equality Monitoring since these documents were introduced in 2011.

These documents were reviewed by the CQC’s Staff Equality Networks and approved by the CQC’s Joint Negotiating and Consultation Committee, which includes trade union representatives and senior managers, alongside external, national union officers and were signed-off by the CQC’s board at that time.

The use of the word ‘gender’ did not arise as an issue of concern whilst completing Equality Impact Assessments for new human resources policies. It was neither subject to a specific assessment nor to legal advice at the time, but Government Legal Services have now reviewed the CQC’s use of the word gender in these documents and confirmed that this meets the requirements of the Equality Act 2010.

www.parallelparliament.co.uk/writtenanswers/search?document_type=writtenanswers&mp_type=1879

ChancesWhatChances · 26/02/2021 18:01

A woman is a biological female. A man is a biological male. This is all I have to say on the matter anymore, I no longer have the energy

UppityPuppity · 26/02/2021 18:00

X post with Pothole!

Yes - the CQC therefore don’t believe everyone has a sex! Worryingly...

UppityPuppity · 26/02/2021 17:59

Didn’t Lord Lucas submit a parliamentary question about this - after the CQC tweeted about the use of gender instead of sex.

Does anyone have an update?

The CQC stated that they wanted to expand the definition without realising that if you expand the definition, you destroy the definition of sex, and who isn’t included sex anyway?

PotholeParadies · 26/02/2021 17:59

I think the CQC got themselves monstered on twitter last year by saying they used gender instead of sex to be more inclusive, because "everyone had a gender"

334bu · 26/02/2021 17:54

Email sent complaining about omission on page below.

www.cqc.org.uk/about-us/our-strategy-plans/equality-human-rights

Angrymum22 · 26/02/2021 17:36

CQC are a waste of space. I recently took over from an HCP who works for the CQC as part of an inspection team. It was incredible how inadequate the practice was in CQC terms. They had not been inspected for years because the owner/CQC employee had ‘arranged it’ so they were put back to the bottom of the inspection list whenever they reached the top ( this was openly disclosed). It was strange how quickly the business was inspected when taken over. Also they timed it so that we were right at the peak of chaos while remodelling and updating.

theskyispink · 26/02/2021 17:26

Over-apologising may stop people from sharing pronouns in the future, you say...?

Hmm...

ifitpleasesandsparkles · 26/02/2021 17:18

[quote OldCrone]I get why people care about pronouns. But I think a lot of people feel like it seems petty. So I'd rather focus on the things which have potential to have a negative impact on women in a bigger way.

Read this and see if you still think the same about pronouns being unimportant.

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/[/quote]

Thanks for this link.

ifitpleasesandsparkles · 26/02/2021 17:12

@RoyalCorgi

How can dictating how people talk about you when you're not there be a 'basic human right'? Is this enshrined in the Human Rights Act?

Exactly. It's a crock of shit. I loathe every single thing about this. A generation of children in adult bodies.

persistentwoman · 26/02/2021 17:07

I believe that after CQC's previous 'good' assessment of GIDs, they had to do a reverse ferret in the light of the High Court determining that the service were treating children with experimental medicine with untested outcomes on fertility, bone density, brain development etc. Oh - and these children did not have the capacity to give informed consent because they were too young.
Last month the CQC suddenly found the service to be inadequate. Not sure what has changed apart from a damning court case that exposed a complete lack of research and evidence into the use of this "experimental" medicine. What a shame that the CQC were unable to spot this in their previous inspection as all of the above existed then. Such a worrying lack of curiosity into the health, safety and welfare of children. Still, they were a Stonewall Champion, so all was well. Hmm

Tibtom · 26/02/2021 17:05

@EdgeOfACoin

Respecting people's chosen pronouns is a 'basic human right'?

Since when? It is a courtesy, surely, not a basic human right?

For instance, the right to a fair trial or the right not to be made stateless are 'basic human rights'.

Pronouns, not so much.

On the other hand freedom of expression is a human right (Article 10) as is freedom of thought, conscience and religion (article 9) and application of these right must not discriminatory (article 14) ECHR
Okbussitout · 26/02/2021 17:02

@Kit19

You are right OKbussitout that CQC dont decide if a treatment is clinically safe, that's NICE job however CQC should ensure that NICE guidelines on treatment are being followed
Yes sorry forgot nice in the mix I mentioned above. I honestly think an issue is the NHS and provision and regulation of health are is really complex so doesn't help with reviewing what treaent is safe or available.

Ccgs develop their own treatment pathways too absed on nice and mhra so pathways can differ in different areas too.

Kit19 · 26/02/2021 16:58

You are right OKbussitout that CQC dont decide if a treatment is clinically safe, that's NICE job however CQC should ensure that NICE guidelines on treatment are being followed

Okbussitout · 26/02/2021 16:52

@FindTheTruth

They're responsible for reviewing puberty blockers etc aren't they? how can they inspect what's going on if they don't recognise sex as a protected characteristic? Like a Baroness said yesterday, it's not for civil servants to change laws.
Not really. In general treatment for anything is a decided on with services mhra and ccgs. CQC would review whether medicines are treatments are used in line with this and how the. Mhra say they should be used. But it's not for them to decide if a treatment is safe of already clinically established.

This is my understanding anyway. Not defacto the truth!

GCmiddle · 26/02/2021 16:52

Let's all contact them pointing out they have made up some of the 9 protected characteristics and ask them to change back to the correct ones.

RedDeerRunning · 26/02/2021 16:50

CQC has declined to regulate GenderGP ffs

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