Campaign to remove prenatal tests

So here’s a man who’s wealthy, telling women he doesn’t know that they have no right to any autonomy over their own bodies. I’m assuming he’s against abortion on any grounds?
The bit about the Emmerdale storyline shows a contradiction as there is already a child actor in the show with Down’s syndrome. His identical twin sadly died. It shows both sides of the dilemma, using actors with the disability.

I don't know if you have read this:
www.google.com/amp/s/notanautismmom.com/2017/10/23/the-jungle/amp/

It's a reaction to welcome to Holland. I talked when given that poem by a well meaning person, but Welcome to the jungle some days is a better fit.

[quote TheBuffster]@rawalpindithelabrador I hope life treats you gently, it's exhausting being a sn parent.

I'd suggest anyone suggesting otherwise can babysit so we can kip![/quote]
Oh, yes, please! Some respite, that would be nice. Or knowing he'd be cared for after I die, I'd like that, too.

Would Ross like to take over the mornings? I'd like to see that.

@rawalpindithelabrador I hope life treats you gently, it's exhausting being a sn parent.

I'd suggest anyone suggesting otherwise can babysit so we can kip!

We have the 24-week limit for healthy infants, I can see how unfair it might feel to a high-functioning person with Downs.

What is 'unfair' in this circumstance is not that women won't be criminalised for terminating a 26 week pregnancy because of Down's syndrome.
It's that women are ever criminalised for terminating their pregnancies at all.

Restoring 'fairness' by ensuring more women can be criminalised more easily is not the remedy.

"I want more women, not fewer, punished for exercising bodily autonomy so I can feel better" is essentially what is being argued here.

People look at abortion limitations imposed upon women as if it is a matter of everyone else's right to lay claim to when and how her body can be used by them.

There's another, perfectly valid way of looking at termination legislation.
Which is this:
At what point should we criminalise a woman for making a decision about her own health and her own body in her own best interests with her own doctor?

Those who argue for limits at various stages or for various conditions are simply arguing their own terms for when they want women punished and how.

At what point can we force her into an outcome that risks her life and health against her wishes.
When shall we punish her.
At what point shall we make her a criminal.
What shall we call the crime.
How long should we imprison her.

This is what arguing for limitations on women's choices really is.
It's arguing the point at which you can punish a woman for making a decision about her own body.
For making a sovereign decision about her own body and her own health in her own best interests.

I wish more people would look this reality in the face and ask themselves if they really stand for that.

The only people for whom fairness is relevant when it comes to deciding pregnancy outcomes or restrictions are the women who are pregnant.

And the remedy to any unfairness to those women is to remove any barriers to them making uncoerced, informed decisions about their own bodies.

@ShowOfHands

Down's babies also have a higher risk of heart deformations that require surgical interventions just to name one thing off the top of my head. Many are medicalized for life. Some parents get really lucky and get the charming down's child with minimal problems, but others do not. It is a crapshoot and women should not be shamed for deciding not to carry such a child to term.

Playing Devil’s advocate here, but in China they will not tell you the sex of your child. The sonographer knows but will not tell you.

This is simply not true

You can find out the sex, either from a sonographer telling you, or from any number of tests - Harmony, amnio

Why oh why do people post such utter horseshit on here?

To suggest prenatal testing is just about abortion or raising a disabled child ignores so much medical support/interventions than come from prenatal testing. This includes surgery in utero for spina bifida and amniotic bands both which can have a huge impact on the child's life, identifying when caesarians are necessary to save the life of parent and/or child, ensuring babies are born in centres with access to necessary medical support where immediate intervention might be necessary, identifying multiple pregnancies or partial molar pregnancies, or cojoined twins...

TheBuffster I would be judgemental.

I can appreciate what the poster has said. But no way would I write that on a public forum. What happens if the child stumbles across it and reads it? No way

No comment on council support needed to help you raise the child with additional needs.

I'm currently trying to access support for my son who is autistic and it is absolutely exhausting as they just don't want to give you funding.

@secular39 how very judgemental of you. It's possible to love your disabled child whilst realising it makes life incredibly hard. I'd suggest you read something like 'special' which tells the watts and all stories of parents of disabled children, we're normal people in extreme circumstances, we're allowed to have human emotions and not to be strong all the time.

“Why do you need to know if your baby is going to have Down syndrome or not?”

From someone who will never be pregnant or give birth. Knob. End.

If I'd know my child had autism, I wouldn't have hesitated to terminate the pregnancy

Make sure your autistic child doesn't read this (even if you may think it).Do you love him/her?

Highfalutinlootin
I don't care if people think this is immoral: if women were not able to abort fetuses with genetic abnormalities and conditions incompatible with life, then I will support infanticide. No woman should be forced to carry or raise a child she doesn't want, full stop. This would only lead to more disabled children and families in traffic situations and drains on institutional resources. I'm very sick of men telling women their opinions on what women should do with their bodies

Wow. You support the killing of live babies with Down syndrome? I hope you don't become like one of the parents who don't end up killing their own child.

But .... I wouldn’t want to be forced to have a child with special needs, selfish as that sounds. I’ve seen how difficult that can be to manage up close and women usually have to act as carers

[quote TheBuffster]@MangoFeverDream do you have a disabled child? I can tell you now there are plenty of circumstances where bringing a child with multiple needs up is not something to be taken lightly. Very few people are willing to adopt either so that's not a practical solution.

People think they are pro life but they often don't think what kind of life their idealistic ideas would lead to.[/quote]
I was only playing devil’s advocate here (I thought that was clear...), I’d actually never choose to knowingly have a child with Downs, nor do I agree that the testing should be limited at all