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Senator Rand Paul questions Rachel Levine about puberty blockers

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andyoldlabour · 25/02/2021 19:33

This is well worth a watch, because Rand Paul is bang on about this subject.

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quixote9 · 04/03/2021 07:03

I lived in the US for decades. Rand Paul is as bad as people here have mentioned. He wouldn't understand that women are human beings if Jesus Christ came down in a cloud of glory and told him so. And yet he's 100% right about this.

I watched the clip. He seems genuinely outraged that this supposed assistant sec'y for health doesn't give a flying duck about kids making the dumbest decisions.

And Levine's weird and downright creepy way of rote-repeating the same non-answer.

It's going to take so many broken bodies before enough people start to get it was all a scam.

Zinco · 04/03/2021 06:49

Another clip of him speaking about women's sports:

Cailleach1 · 03/03/2021 20:42

So, in a very best case scenario, women and girls have a bill which screws them hanging over their heads for two years like a sword of Damocles. Out of the starting gates before the sun had set on day 1!

Good job they'll have a perfect score putting all those other issues on a statutory footing, tout suite. Is the excuse that it is always too hostile for bills to give women rights, but of extreme urgency to push forward a bill that takes away their rights?

SmokedDuck · 03/03/2021 18:30

Obama backed all kinds of policies that weren't good for the environment, the senate has zero to do with it.

He had a Monsanto exec, a man who is the antithesis of sustainable agriculture models, as a senior member of his government. That is typical of his approach which was consistently pro-capitalism and pro-development.

The fact is that often when comparing the policy objectives of REpublicans and Democrats, there is little real difference. To act like this creates a huge reason to pick one over the other is very strange.

ListeningQuietly · 03/03/2021 16:40

@Cailleach1
Democrats have to get past the Republican filibuster
and do it within the next 2 years
as you well know.

@SmokedDuck
Obama had a hostile senate for 6 out of his 8 years
as you well know

SmokedDuck · 03/03/2021 14:16

Anyone who takes environmental issues really seriously could not vote for the Democrats any more than the Republicans.

That's part of the problem with this political tribalism shit, it allows parties to place themselves as better than the other guys, with pretty empty words, or stupid policies, which will in actuality accomplish little more or nothing more than their opponents. Sometimes they just say the words and do zero differently, anyone who looks at Obamas record should be able to see that.

Cailleach1 · 03/03/2021 10:19

So, are the current Administration and the Democrats actively going to put all those things on a statutory footing so they are not left hanging. As they are in power, if they are not for it and going to legislate for it, then they are agin it. Only empty words otherwise.

are against abortion
are against maternity pay
are against free contraception
are against free nursery care
are against universal health care, particularly ante natal

Maybe one of their wealthy backers might support them. Or, maybe their wealthy backers don't give a toss about the issues which disproportionately affect biological women. In fact, maybe their wealthy backers are funding them to eff over biological women.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 03/03/2021 09:49

@NancyDrawed

What stood out to me was that the same statement was repeated (leaving out the robust research claim second time around). Don't deviate from the script Dr Levine!!
I thought there was a problem/glitch with the clip! I thought Dr Levine's reply was just looped.

I shouldn't be surprised by anything anymore...

ListeningQuietly · 01/03/2021 17:15

I did not vote for Trump.
Because I look at lots of issues before I tick a ballot.
Climate Change being absolutely key.

Cailleach1 · 01/03/2021 17:10

@ListeningQuietly

Wanderin I am old enough to know that the USA lags behind most countries in key areas of women's rights.

And I will never support politicians who
are against abortion
are against maternity pay
are against free contraception
are against free nursery care
are against universal health care, particularly ante natal

The current GOP is NOT pro women.

I'm old enough to have watched Nixon resign by the way.

So what party do you vote for? What politicians do you vote for? If it is hero or zero, then I presume it is zero at the moment because I don't think Biden signed an executive order for statutory maternity leave and pay.

Maybe in practical terms, his inequality order which disproportionately screws women will render women's sex protections void. Men who identify as transgender and become women don't have to do all that breastfeeding and maternity malarkey.

ListeningQuietly · 01/03/2021 15:35

Wanderin
I am old enough to know that the USA lags behind most countries in key areas of women's rights.

And I will never support politicians who
are against abortion
are against maternity pay
are against free contraception
are against free nursery care
are against universal health care, particularly ante natal

The current GOP is NOT pro women.

I'm old enough to have watched Nixon resign by the way.

WanderinWomb · 01/03/2021 14:40

@ListeningQuietly

Royal Do you support free contraception Do you support abortion in the case on incest or rape Do you support Maternity Pay Do you support preschools

Rand Paul does not

Genuine question, how old are you?

I found the ability to dump tribalism and manage cross-party agreement on certain issues came at certain point, for me around 27/29 ish.

andyoldlabour · 01/03/2021 12:25

ListeningQuietly

It looks as though "sleepy" Joe Biden is also putting children in cages. If you vote Democrat in the US, it is very similar to voting Labour/LibDem/Greens in the UK. They are all anti women.

www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/victor-joecks-biden-puts-kids-in-cages-to-deal-with-influx-of-illegal-immigrants-2290889/

www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/24/us-to-allow-migrants-from-mexico-as-critics-slam-kids-in-cages

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ListeningQuietly · 01/03/2021 12:17

@Justhadathought

He is a Christian, not a terrible human being.
Is it Christian to lock children in cages? Is it Christian to block contraception funding? Is it Christian to block healthcare funding ?

Whatever sort of "Christian" Rand Paul is
its pretty unpleasant to the poor and needy

YouSetTheTone · 01/03/2021 08:36

@UppityPuppity

26/02/2021 20:51 FamilyOfAliens

WTF @MNHQ?

Why have you deleted @UppityPuppity’s factual post? What would you call transgender surgery then?

I can see now why KJK was banned from Twitter for being honest and factual about a certain 16-year-old being taken abroad to have a certain surgical procedure that was illegal in the UK for under-18s.

Thank you Family.

Yes - why was my post deleted? I merely reposted a quote from the guardian posted up thread by Royal Corgi Rand Paul, senator from Kentucky, compared transgender surgery misleadingly to genital mutilation and accused Levine of supporting “surgical destruction of a minor’s genitalia” and called the author out to state how these exact terms are misleading.

How are they the wrong terms? Remember - this is about the genitalia and safeguarding of children.

UppityPuppity are you allowed to explain why it’s an offence to write about the certain sixteen year old I think you’re referring to? Is it because the person’s mother is high profile in a charity that used to share a logo with Starbucks? I was shocked when I learnt that the other day. Why aren’t people allowed to know this? Surely it explains so much about that charity’s position? Why is the information above banned when the charity promotes the discussion that’s being banned?
Justhadathought · 01/03/2021 08:18

That would be like calling all muslims terrible human beings - for giving credence to practices that as individuals we may have very strong feeling about.

Justhadathought · 01/03/2021 08:16

He is a Christian, not a terrible human being.

RoyalCorgi · 01/03/2021 08:04

@ListeningQuietly

Royal Do you support free contraception Do you support abortion in the case on incest or rape Do you support Maternity Pay Do you support preschools

Rand Paul does not

Agreed. He's a terrible human being.

And yet he's still more moral than the Democrat representatives.

BelleHathor · 28/02/2021 21:57

@NecessaryScene1

Téa Smith summed this up on Twitter quite well:

Why the fuck are you brainless arsehole idiots making me support Rand Paul? Go fuck yourselves for that betrayal of science, common sense and decency as well as everything the so-called left stands for. You Woke gaslighting fuckfaces.

Beautiful and straight to the point 👏 I liked the attached reply!
Senator Rand Paul questions Rachel Levine about puberty blockers
Whatwouldscullydo · 28/02/2021 20:34

edge

However if you look.at a " I pierced ny babies ears" thread you will see much of the language we aren't allowed to use here freely spoken. As a teen who stabbed multiple holes through their ears and nose , my parents did not hold back...

Store staff have to look.like.dickeads Id'ing 25 year olds because even serving someone.over age can cost them.their job if they were under the challenge age

All this to protect children from causing themselves harm or making themselves sick.

We are somehow then expected to continue to protect children without the words we need to explain the consequences.

We are allowed to express more disgust and disapproval discussing ear piercing on someone.under 9 than we are with major surgery with permanent and irreversible consequences.

Justhadathought · 28/02/2021 20:20

Do you support free contraception
Do you support abortion in the case on incest or rape
Do you support Maternity Pay
Do you support preschool

Rand Paul does no

Which is why, these days, we are moving towards a situation where people coalesce around single issues, rather than around generalised ideological poles. There is much that people from across all corners can find some agreement on. And when you do that, and accept that, the blind hatred of the enemy ceases.

EdgeOfACoin · 28/02/2021 20:02

I do think the removal of testicles and the inversion of a penis to create a neovagina which requires daily dilation with a dildo in order to prevent it from closing up is on a different level of body modification to ear piercing.

Similarly, I struggle to equate a double mastectomy with getting a tattoo on one's ankle.

NecessaryScene1 · 28/02/2021 19:05

Téa Smith summed this up on Twitter quite well:

Why the fuck are you brainless arsehole idiots making me support Rand Paul? Go fuck yourselves for that betrayal of science, common sense and decency as well as everything the so-called left stands for. You Woke gaslighting fuckfaces.

ListeningQuietly · 28/02/2021 18:53

Royal
Do you support free contraception
Do you support abortion in the case on incest or rape
Do you support Maternity Pay
Do you support preschools

Rand Paul does not

RoyalCorgi · 28/02/2021 18:48

Rand Paul is an utter shit and no friend of women but even a stopped clock is right twice a day

I don't think that's quite right - as in, I don't think he's accidentally right on this issue. I think what we have here is a really simple moral issue where all people who have even the most basic moral compass would agree. If you took an opinion poll, for example, on whether female genital mutilation is morally acceptable, I imagine you'd get something like 95-98% of people saying it isn't. And that's regardless of how they stand on other issues like capital punishment or abortion or refugees or climate change.

Similarly, if you asked people whether they think it's OK to perform a double mastectomy on a perfectly healthy teenage girl because she believes she is male, the vast majority of people would say it was wrong. Because it is a very simple, clear moral issue. People know that performing serious, unnecessary surgery on children is wrong.

And yet we are in a situation where the left is now so utterly demented that they are prepared to pretend that the mutilation of children is an acceptable, even desirable, moral position. That's why people like Rand Paul can step in and make the liberal left look as if they are completely without a moral compass - because they are.