Marjorie Taylor Greene

With the tweet "misgendering" her trans daughter...

Quoting from:

www.vice.com/en/article/g5bepx/marjorie-taylor-greene-harassed-the-trans-child-of-a-congressional-colleague

Democratic Rep. Marie Newman spoke on the floor in support of the bill and talked about her transgender daughter, who came out to her parents two years ago.

“I knew from that day on, my daughter would be living in a nation where in most of its states, she could be discriminated against merely because of who she is,” Newman said. “And yet it was still the happiest day of my life, and my daughter has found her authentic self. And as any mother would, I swore that I would fight to ensure this country changes for the better.”

Greene retweeted a clip of Newman speaking, and personally attacked her daughter by misgendering her. “As mothers, we all love and support our children,” she wrote. “But your biological son does NOT belong in my daughters’ bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports teams.”

[End of quote]

The reference to "biological son" was a correct reference to the person's sex; and was reasonably needed to make the point that was being made. I'm sure you could find some other form of words to express the same meaning, but I don't see "biological son" as a big deal in this context. If accurately referring to someone's sex is now supposed to be a highly offensive personal attack, maybe people are getting oversensitive.

MTG didn't need to bring up her trans daughter specifically. She could have just spoken about the issue in a more general way. But if another politician introduces the subject of their trans daughter... the rhetoric used at least in these quotes is really very mild.

I consider myself wholeheartedly GC and I think it was shitty to put up the sign. Make a cogent argument in Congress against the bill, great. Put up a deliberately goady sign (that will just galvanize the opposition) right across the hall from a political opponent who you KNOW will take it as a personal attack on her family, that's shitty.

Why would the sign be taken as a personal attack on her family? It was just a response to her own actions, and the content of the sign was very mild.

Marie Newman:

Our neighbor, @RepMTG, tried to block the Equality Act because she believes prohibiting discrimination against trans Americans is “disgusting, immoral, and evil.”

Thought we’d put up our Transgender flag so she can look at it every time she opens her door

Marjorie Taylor Greene:

Our neighbor, @RepMarieNewman, wants to pass the so-called "Equality" Act to destroy women’s rights and religious freedoms.

Thought we’d put up ours so she can look at it every time she opens her door

I grew up with plenty of evangelical Christians.

Green's actions simply leach credibility from the GC viewpoint. It will be seen as more toxic than ever, thanks to her.

I consider myself wholeheartedly GC and I think it was shitty to put up the sign. Make a cogent argument in Congress against the bill, great. Put up a deliberately goady sign (that will just galvanize the opposition) right across the hall from a political opponent who you KNOW will take it as a personal attack on her family, that's shitty.

Wall Street Journal:

www.wsj.com/articles/the-equality-act-makes-women-unequal-11614123263

Ideological purity will not protect women and girls.

And you think she cares about protecting women and girls? It's not ideological purity to say someone who would actively work to remove women's rights is not on our side, she's just another run of the mill anti- abortion ultra-gender conforming (so as not to alarm her male peers) right wing woman. With a side order of batshit conspiracy theories.

Now I am totally comfortable with the fact that I may agree with people on one subject, but totally disagree on another. But I think I'm fairly safe to say that I probably don't agree with her on much more than the really obvious shit, like 1+1=2 for example. But I say probably, because have you seen the insane stuff she believes??

I don't care if it makes me "ideologically pure" to state categorically that she isn't on our side.

I "threw" in the word white because white evangelical christians are radically different from black evangelical christians and I certainly didn't want to include black evangelical churches and church-goers in anything to do with MTG. If you are conflating MTG with evangelical christians, you certainly aren't referring to black evangelical churches.

I agree those statements are abhorrent. I quoted the word "wacky" from a prior post. But broad brush ill informed demonization of evangelical christians is not helpful. And neither is throwing in the word white. Would such beliefs be acceptable from black evangelical christians?

She is willing to stand up for her unpopular "wacky" beliefs.

No she isn't. She claimed that she was 'allowed to believe things that weren't true'. She couldn't even take responsibility for her poisonous actions when she made her non-apology.

The only excuse for defending her can be ignorance.

She has some crazy beliefs sure (or did until recently as she reportedly gave a sort of apology), but what was actually on the sign wasn't offensive or hateful. It's not what a GC person would say, but it's not any worse in tone. Neither do I see a problem with saying, "Your biological son doesn't belong...".

The fact that this woman:

(1) Has various bat crap crazy viewpoints
(2) Doesn't support feminism
(3) Is partly driven by the Bible and/or conservative Christianity on this issue,

She can still be sincere on this issue, and still be correct. If she has said something genuinely hateful about trans people elsewhere, OK, but it wasn't in her sign.

Yeah, maybe he is a piece of work. However any person (even a doctor) who wishes to permanently alter healthy body parts of minors and give drugs to minors, of which long term effects are unknown, then they remind me of many pieces of work across the ages. Especially if evidence shows that most of those children will be just fine if left alone and not encouraged to carry out these things.

Oh and yes, especially the kids who have no guardians looking out for them.

I will do a lot for feminism but I won't lie down that that piece of trash.

In the US we are supposed to have separation of Church and State. I don't care what wacky beliefs any person holds in their minds but I do not want those beliefs driving policy nor informing government. I admire Macron for defending Laïcité.

Lots of aspersions being cast. With language like this how will you reach women who are not feminists? Why are the beliefs of evangelical christians demonized whereas the beliefs of muslim women need to be protected? I also think some people on this board have never met any evangelical christians. She has a point about courage. She is willing to stand up for her unpopular "wacky" beliefs. Ideological purity will not protect women and girls.

Thanks all for U.K. support - I joined MN because of my old school feminism - which recently had been revived. I'd been so busy working full-time and caring for young kids that when I came up for air to pay attention after 17 years I was astonished at what had happened! U.K. women were already in it and I've been watching and taking notes...

Oh yes, Rand Paul isn't some big feminist, and he's primarily looking to poke holes in the Dems, but he's not an extreme evangelical religious person - he's a libertarian- which means he attempts to approach problems with reason. Now, I disagree with the majority of his policies but he's not wrong about this at all and he's approaching it in the right way (science, Kiera Bell, cultural issues, protections for vulnerable children).

But my god, where are the rest of the leaders who care about protecting children?!?!

Rand Paul is another piece of work.

Delphinium20 definitely 👍, big props to WOLF and Hands across the aisle, their tireless groundwork is paying off!
Of course Paul won't be allowed to see you, as you're likely an old school feminist, the kind that knows about biological sex. MSM only highlights the "Fun Feminists" (less likely to ask uncomfortable questions 😉) and unfortunately given a large and loud platform.

Great post Delphinium

I honestly don't know how feminists in the US can tackle this issue with clarity when religion seems to get in the way of everything.

BelleHathor
That is excellent news about Rand Paul. I do believe there have been some feminist reaching out to him.

"Where are the feminists?" Paul had asked.

We are here and we wish Greene would stop talking over us!!!

Well she is definitely unique... Though it was funny when she put the following poster up outside her office. The memes alone on social media highlighted the issue.

In other good news Rand Paul (a Republican Senator) has just mentioned Keira Bell at the Dr. Rachel Levine hearing in front of the senate (and plans to offer surgery unquestionably to homeless kids)
m.youtube.com/watch?v=laS93iac9Ws

Oh. It's a hot mess today in Democrat and mainstream feminism boards because emotions are high and Greene is the devil trying to kill trans people. They aren't necessarily wrong. However, the devil is really in the details...and in the consciousness of too many people's brains.

Greene is, by so many measures, an awful, awful human being. You don't have to be a leftist to find her behavior repugnant. Her attack on this bill is a fucking death knell to any reasonable changes that could have amended the act and changed the definition of sex.

Nobody wants to be seen as an ally of Greene. Now, instead of any reasonable compromises (like ensure no discrimination in employment/housing/education for trans people while also ensuring sex-based protections for girls and women), this poorly crafted bill will likely get passed in the House as is. Then, reasonable Senators may feel that any opposition to this bill will taint them with the likes of Greene, so it might pass in the Senate. While I don't see that as a given, I just see that Greene has made it much more difficult to argue that there is a perfectly balanced, non-religious and good reason to vote against this bill.

Once again, the voices of women and girls are drowned out by the crazy right wing conspiracy nutters and the crazy TRA wing zealots. Nobody with any sense feels safe enough to speak up.

Too many Americans are educated by religious institutions...it has distorted our civil discourse and hindered our reasoning abilities. This can be seen from comments on both sides of the debate like these: "God loves all the genders because he made LGBTQA people and they are perfect in his eyes."
"God only made two genders and it is a sin for a man to make himself a woman and for a woman to make herself a man."

Seriously...many people in the US think like this and you just.can't.talk.to.them.

It just makes me angrier at the cowardly or craven "progressives" I've supported all my life. Beyond frustrating.

She's a fucking nutjob.
The last person you need defending women only spaces

www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-calls-trust-science-anti-trans-poster-1572018?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1614270352

'"Your biological son does NOT belong in my daughters' bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports teams," Green wrote.'

There's a long list of socially conservative people who are anti-trans. they are often racist and support misgynist ideology despite being women as well as men. I see the phrase TAnon starting to be used on twitter alongside QAnon and people linking different ideologies. The number of reports of people linking Covid to being the fault of gay people and that the vaccine makes you gay is surreal.

Its the freudian ( I think ) perspective that "all dogs are animals but not all animals are dogs". Everyone who is a racist or homophobe hates trans people though not everyone who hates trans people is a racist and a homophobe. Similarly in this country with Brexit ironically.