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Literally everything has to be about men.

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SkeeterP · 24/02/2021 10:54

On the Maternity Bill debate that took place in the House of Lords on Monday ...

twitter.com/mcashmanCBE/status/1364315300326481920?s=20

Literally everything has to be about men.
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PotholeParadies · 24/02/2021 19:53
terryleather · 24/02/2021 19:23

@Deliriumoftheendless

It all makes me think of Tom Cruise in Magnolia shouting “Respect the cock!”
Hmmm maybe a certain organisation could ditch "acceptance without exception" and replace it with this...
Deliriumoftheendless · 24/02/2021 19:11

It all makes me think of Tom Cruise in Magnolia shouting “Respect the cock!”

BarbaraofKent · 24/02/2021 18:36

What have transwomen even got to do with a Maternity Bill?

He doesn't even mention transmen does he?

Says it all. What a misogynist.

MajorMujer · 24/02/2021 17:20

My eyes nearly rolled out of my head reading that.

FindTheTruth · 24/02/2021 17:17

I wish tweeters would reply to the The herd giving him a pat on the back. (Cashman won't reply to anyone sharing facts)

I wonder if it's worth writing to our MPs about what he's doing on twitter, misrepresentations in a democracy and our concern that he's on the Government LGBT panel which doesn't keep minutes of meetings and carries out activism in secret. Jackie Doyle said write to your MP www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3964490-Standing-For-Women-Jackie-Doyle-Price-MP-My-message-to-women-everywhere-is-use-your-voice-and-tell-your-MP-what-what-you-think

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/02/2021 17:11

How were transwomen 'blatantly' misrepresented and defamed in the debate, anyway? I don't recall them even being mentioned?!

They weren't to my knowledge, as they are totally irrelevant to the discussion of said Bill. A couple of the speakers mentioned FTM trans people.

PotholeParadies · 24/02/2021 17:06

@yourhairiswinterfire

I see he's responded to quite a few people that are giving him a pat on the back, but has said nothing to the people pointing out that maternity is jack shit to do with transwomen...

How were transwomen 'blatantly' misrepresented and defamed in the debate, anyway? I don't recall them even being mentioned?!

Well, there you go.

Blatantly transphobic.

yourhairiswinterfire · 24/02/2021 17:01

I see he's responded to quite a few people that are giving him a pat on the back, but has said nothing to the people pointing out that maternity is jack shit to do with transwomen...

How were transwomen 'blatantly' misrepresented and defamed in the debate, anyway? I don't recall them even being mentioned?!

FindTheTruth · 24/02/2021 16:48

FFS - Why do men who are vile to women get so much air time? uggh

Mollyollydolly · 24/02/2021 14:26

I find men like Cashman scary. The anger at women, bubbling away under a veneer of equality and inclusion. It's plain to see. And yet there he is on Breakfast TV this morning, plugging his book, the voice of liberal inclusion. It's like a parallel universe.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/02/2021 14:05

Cashman can clearly find the time for Twitter but not for the debate which he thinks is important.

That's because it's about boring old female rights stuff. Who cares about that, but after the fact, let's do some virtue signalling to all the TRAs on my Twitter account about the plight of MTF trans people.

NinaMimi · 24/02/2021 14:02

The whole ‘it’s not a pie’ is just ridiculous and doesn’t work for a lot of trans issues.

If we started allowing people without disabilities to park in disabled spaces or compete in paraolympics then that would be to the detriment of people with disabilities. I don’t see how letting males compete in female sports or letting them in prisons etc isn’t also to the detriment of females.

Also had to laugh at a TRA activist on the tweet complaining about someone using the term female as that was demeaning but I’m sure they’d be fine with vulva haver etc

OhHolyJesus · 24/02/2021 13:46



OhHolyJesus · 24/02/2021 13:41

Cashman can clearly find the time for Twitter but not for the debate which he thinks is important. 🧐

Freddy calling women who want specific language in law transphobes, it's a bit like when Freddy called women who had lost babies who wanted to be called mothers, bullies for calling out SANDS on their use of language.

Oh and Mikey the 'Pregnant' 'intersex' teen was a hoax, but yes if this young man had turned out to be the first ever man to be pregnant due to internal female reproductive organs and external male genitalia then the IVF docs would have revealed to the worked the scientific phenomenon of the first known case of it's kind. Or perhaps referred him to specifically who would have been studying him ever since...and yet it turned out to be just a large pizza or whatever it was he ate for dinner.

PotholeParadies · 24/02/2021 13:39

@OvaHere

Reminds of another fave misogynist - the Cyclepath and Sports are a Right self proclaimed expert.

Was tweeting yesterday about turning down an opportunity to defend their position of inclusion at the hearing of a bill about female sports near to their hometown.

Assuming it's true they were invited the reason given was that it was too short notice. Odd to turn down such an opportunity when this subject has been your raison de etre for several years and you consider yourself a world renowned expert.

That's so they can say "no trans voices were consulted" if it doesn't go the way they'd like, and get a twitter mob going.
MadameKali · 24/02/2021 13:35

Has anybody ever asked Lord Cashman if he'd sleep with a transman?

OvaHere · 24/02/2021 13:32

Reminds of another fave misogynist - the Cyclepath and Sports are a Right self proclaimed expert.

Was tweeting yesterday about turning down an opportunity to defend their position of inclusion at the hearing of a bill about female sports near to their hometown.

Assuming it's true they were invited the reason given was that it was too short notice. Odd to turn down such an opportunity when this subject has been your raison de etre for several years and you consider yourself a world renowned expert.

OvaHere · 24/02/2021 13:26

If he cares so much why didn't he make sure he was in the debating chamber to have his say? Isn't that the point of being a Lord?

He can't care that much if he couldn't be bothered. More interested in getting 'likes' on the internet.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 24/02/2021 13:21

Skeeter P I think you nailed it with the title.
Women shouldn't be allowed any space to discuss anything without centering Transwomen, even maternity rights.

Still couldn't be bothered to turn up to the debate (because he'd have to sit through boring old women's issues) and prefers to bitch on twittter.

FindTheTruth · 24/02/2021 13:03

EXAMPLE: Cashman bigoteering on Twitter after the DfE updated their guidance:

  1. Baroness Nicholson in the House of Lords wanted a meeting to ensure that the old school materials teaching 'born in the wrong body' would be removed from Schools. See Transcript of House of Lords Gender Recognition Act GRA questions
  1. Cashmantook to twitter to say that Baroness Nicholson was 'planning an assault on the guidancefor inclusive sex and relationship education. I am up for the battle'. Here's his tweet He misrepresents what was said and gets others to jump on the bandwagon. He fails to mention that the RSE guidance hasalreadybeen updated or what's 'wrong' with it.
  1. The thread of followers think it's a 'battle' for LGBT rights', 'we stand for LGBT', 'I'm ready for the battle' and 'back to the dark days of section 28'.
  1. Blue tick followers like Jameela Jamil, who replies: 'If you care about the future of LGBTQ+ people, follow and support@mcashmanCBE
MondayYogurt · 24/02/2021 12:59

[quote andyoldlabour]That twitter feed has attracted some very weird people. Most notably, the person who thinks some transwomen can get pregnant.Confused

twitter.com/TheEmmelineMay/status/1364341471319588868[/quote]
My parents weren’t around much when I was a kid

There's always trauma when you scratch the surface. Poor girl. Still wonder the ethics of implanting 3 embryos into a teen's fallopian tubes though.

CharlieParley · 24/02/2021 12:57

@ArabellaScott

'We have nothing to fear from everyone enjoying the same laws the same protections.' - his subsequent tweet.

I'm not included in your 'we', mate.

That's just nonsense, isn't it? The entire Equality Act is about different protections being afforded to specific protected groups on the basis of their differing needs.

Children need different rights and protections. Disabled people need different rights and protections. Pregnant women and mothers need different rights and protections. And so on...

And this is coming from an experienced lawmaker who knows how the law works Hmm

PotholeParadies · 24/02/2021 12:51

I saw that last night and I was nonplussed.

If it's so important, why did he not attend?

Also, it's about maternity. The issue here is transmen? Does he think transwomen can get pregnant after surgery?

Is the problem really just that no-one mentioned transwomen, like when Hibo Wardere spoke about mutilation of girls without ever mentioning transwomen?

FindTheTruth · 24/02/2021 12:50

Cashman, a male politician, routinely accuses female politicians of bigotry. Bigoteering is falsely accusing someone (or someone’s opinions or actions) as ‘ist’or ‘phobic’. On twitter he accuses female politicians like Liz Truss, Baroness Emma Nicholson of transphobia and then they get awful abuse.

On twitter Baroness Emma Nicholson tried to engage him respectfully and politely. His response was from the bigoteer playbook; Refuse to discuss.

Cashman playbook: deny, accuse, block, repeat, don't get pinned down in an open fact-based discussion.

His Followers side with him, without investigating the source of the accusations. (2nd order bigoteering).

The unquestioning herd supporting Cashman, include:

  1. Jameela Jamil
  2. Baroness Wilcox of Newport (she was in the HoL)
  3. Dr Saffron Vickers Walkling
  4. Julian Corlett, Author
  5. Aaron Spencer, LGBTQ reporter
  6. Scott Cuthbertson, LGBTI Scotland Manager
  7. Philip Normal, Mayor of Lambeth
  8. Jan Bell, Head of Support United Welsh
  9. Ronnie meechan, Head of Education
  10. Adi Ni Dhálaigh Gourdialsing, Head of Patient Services
  11. Damian Barr, Literary Ambassador