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"Theydies and gentlethems"

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nordica · 21/02/2021 15:52

... is what the clothing brand Lucy & Yak thinks people should use instead of ladies and gentlemen or guys and gals when referring to others in posts in their official Facebook group. "Folx" is also acceptable as is anything else gender-neutral. Confused

I'm in the group because I quite like their clothes but not sure I'll ever want to buy from them now if they are so keen to erase my identity as a woman.

Someone also suggested they do Harry Potter themed clothes the other week and you can imagine how well that went down. Grin (The admins immediately posted a link about JKR being transphobic and closed the comments.)

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Cwenthryth · 21/02/2021 20:47

🤢 bleurgh is my response to the title!

I think theydies and gentlethems only works written down.
Well that’s the problem with a lot of work terminology isn’t it - womxn, folx etc - the youngsters are a lot more used to communicating via social media than in person that how things are actually pronounced is mostly irrelevant.

I’m actually in the market for some dungarees, I’ve never had a pair before. L&Y were my radar but I’m sure they wouldn’t want my terfy money. Can anyone suggest more inclusive alternatives who don’t wish to erase my identity?

IndecentCakes · 21/02/2021 20:11

Awright, my cockers.

MissBarbary · 21/02/2021 20:06

I like ladies and gentlemen but that is perhaps best suited to a formal occasion.

Beyond black tie dinners and the like I'm struggling to see why it is necessary generally to distinguish between sexes (or genders) when one says "good morning" or "welcome" or " great to see so many of you here today" etc, etc.

TheChampagneGalop · 21/02/2021 19:59

I meant words for women, specifically. When "girls" sounds too young and "ladies" too formal.

MissBarbary · 21/02/2021 19:51

@TheChampagneGalop

This all reminds me of the lack of casual/neutral ways to greet a group of grown women. I don't feel like a guy or a gal.
"Hi, everyone" It's really not difficult.
MissBarbary · 21/02/2021 19:50

@ErrolTheDragon

That reminds me of the "Guys, gals and non-binary pals!" I saw in a Facebook group once

I'd rather just 'guys' than 'gals'. Hmm I know opinions vary, I've got used to 'guys' as a neutral having worked in a mostly US team for decades. But I categorically am not a 'gal'.

I hate "guys". I am not a guy. I do not answer to "guy". I have no objection to "gal" I don't understand the pandering to the male default.

Guy is not gender neutral. It's the same argument that brushes aside any objections about skirts being removed as an option for school uniform because trousers are gender neutral. They aren't in that context- it's simply making the male option the default; same as "guys".

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 21/02/2021 19:48

Well, at least they know about maternity, mums, and breastfeeding. 😁

"Theydies and gentlethems"
"Theydies and gentlethems"
Gcnq · 21/02/2021 19:48

Ugh it's all just so First... World... Problems...

libertine80 · 21/02/2021 19:38

I really like Lucy and Yak clothes for their ethics but they are very woker-than-you in their attitude. Their IG account is currently LGBTQIA+ and black history month combined. They did cover Audre Lorde but she is the only woman they covered.

They did have a recent row regarding sizes as a previous OP said. I was early to the L&Y party and have been wearing them since 2017. A friend was admiring one of my many pairs one day and I was shocked to hear that they didn't do them in her size (about 20?). I know they have been pulled up on this but it seemed strange for a brand who pride themselves in 'being as inclusive as possible'.

BethnalGreenBambinos · 21/02/2021 19:06

I can't see "guys and gals" without hearing Jimmy Savile's voice. It makes me shudder.

TheChampagneGalop · 21/02/2021 18:51

This all reminds me of the lack of casual/neutral ways to greet a group of grown women. I don't feel like a guy or a gal.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/02/2021 18:27

That reminds me of the "Guys, gals and non-binary pals!" I saw in a Facebook group once

I'd rather just 'guys' than 'gals'. Hmm I know opinions vary, I've got used to 'guys' as a neutral having worked in a mostly US team for decades. But I categorically am not a 'gal'.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/02/2021 18:24

Hey, change makers!

Not inclusive of those who maintain the status quo, which is sometimes essential.

MissBarbary · 21/02/2021 18:20

@MotherWitch

That reminds me of the "Guys, gals and non-binary pals!" I saw in a Facebook group once Hmm
I quite like that.
PothoIeParadies · 21/02/2021 18:10

Hey, change makers!

That's my choice. Absolutely not homies. I don't think my council estate credentials are enough to carry that off. I'm sure it would be appropriation and just plain embarrassing. Like William Hague boasting about many pints he could drink when courting the working class vote.

DialSquare · 21/02/2021 18:10

Same here Hermits. Morning gory would be more apt when I look in the mirror of a morning.

HermitsLife · 21/02/2021 18:06

I am not a morning person, I need three cups of tea before I start feeling human. Morning glory is literal violence and erases my existance Sad

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nordica · 21/02/2021 18:04

@notyourhandmaid

Just on their website - are all their clothes explicitly unisex? Does that work in terms of sizing? Or in practice are some items very specifically designed for one sex?
Interestingly they used to sell everything in S, M, L type sizing... and then not too long ago (middle of last year?) changed the dungarees to numerical (women's) sizing. I imagine they will change back soon now they are so "neutral".
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AuntyFungal · 21/02/2021 18:02

I’m wiping the spit from here @MangoBiscuit

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ErrolTheDragon · 21/02/2021 17:59

Apart from its vulgar meaning , morning glory is exclusionary of others who aren't in pre-lunch time zone. And ludicrous if no one is.

HermitsLife · 21/02/2021 17:59

There was a thread in Lipstick Alley about folxs www.lipstickalley.com/threads/apparently-using-the-word-folks-is-transphobic-and-racist.4399062/
As you can imagine they treated it with the respect it deserves Grin

GrimDamnFanjo · 21/02/2021 17:59

Didn't Lucy and Yak recently have a body positive row with their fans?

ErrolTheDragon · 21/02/2021 17:57

Well, on that chart I've certainly no objection to 'everyone', or 'team' for work.

But...'morning glories?'Confused

DialSquare · 21/02/2021 17:56

Apart from these!

"Theydies and gentlethems"
"Theydies and gentlethems"
Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/02/2021 17:55

It's not "folks" it's FOLX. Come on, get it right!