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Sex in the Census 2021 website launched; 3 part action plan

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ConservativesForWomen · 21/02/2021 10:01

sexinthecensus.org

"The census has always asked “What is your sex”?
We believe that people should answer the census accurately and honestly.
We think that this is the best way to collect the information needed to understand the population and to plan and fund public services.
Counting the number of male and female citizens is vital for the census, and because the census sets the standard for other data-collection across society."

The website has a 3 stage action plan, a comprehensive set of FAQs, and a useful resources section that provides more background.
15 groups collaborated on this campaign and clicking on their logos on the home page takes you direct to the individual website of each organisation.

Hope some of you find it useful.

OP posts:
Angelwings77 · 04/03/2021 17:38

I had a paper copy arrive in the post today and I didn't ask for one to be sent (I'd planned on waiting to the last minute to ask) so are they randomly posting paper copies anyway?

SorryAuntLydia · 04/03/2021 17:31

Bumping this important thread

peak2021 · 04/03/2021 13:02

Just ordered paper copy- very simple process to do so.

alreadytaken · 02/03/2021 16:00

A friend once claimed to identify as a potato - perhaps any question about gender could be answered in that way, rather than claiming to be men?

NonnyMouse1337 · 02/03/2021 10:04

@2Rebecca

Is this census the whole of the UK or just England as there was talk of a Scottish census and I'm not sure if this is an additional one.
2Rebecca this census is for England and Wales.

Scotland's census will be next year, but any development around the English and Welsh census will influence the one in Scotland.

2Rebecca · 02/03/2021 08:46

Is this census the whole of the UK or just England as there was talk of a Scottish census and I'm not sure if this is an additional one.

butwhatcanwedo · 02/03/2021 08:33

Done, thanks for the reminder.

SirSamuelVimes · 02/03/2021 08:32

Just ordered my paper copy.

Also had a little dig for FPFW yesterday. Not much as very financially fucked due to Covid unfortunately.

chillied · 02/03/2021 08:25

[quote Leafstamp]Thanks for the reminder @NonnyMouse1337. Just ordered my paper copy. I await a response from my MP, but I got a promising acknowledgement.

Can I also add, if anyone who sees this isn’t already aware of the campaign by FPFW, and the update yesterday, please have a read here and consider picking up a spade if you’re able to.

fairplayforwomen.com/census-dirty-tricks-wont-stop-us/[/quote]
This deserves a bump, as it's after pay day... and it only runs until tomorrow

alreadytaken · 01/03/2021 13:52

When asked about gender I tend to write something like this is an artificial concept created by misogynists. Anyone got a better response?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2021 12:51

I actually do think this paper copy and letter plan is worth doing. I think it will send a message to the ONS if lots of people request paper copies as they will want as many people to complete online as possible.

I also think that an FOI on the ONS decision making meetings where this issue was discussed would be a good idea.

Leafstamp · 01/03/2021 12:33

[quote Leafstamp]**@TheShadowyFeminist

I do see where you're coming from, but how come FPFW's lawyers think they have a case and think that spending £90k on it is worth it? Do you know something they don't or are your just voicing your opinion?[/quote]
Sorry, this was in reply to a post from a while ago, I misread and thought it was a recent one. Feel free to ignore @TheShadowyFeminist Smile

Leafstamp · 01/03/2021 12:31

a stink can still be created, even if the census itself cannot be undone.

Hear hear

Leafstamp · 01/03/2021 12:28

@TheShadowyFeminist

I do see where you're coming from, but how come FPFW's lawyers think they have a case and think that spending £90k on it is worth it? Do you know something they don't or are your just voicing your opinion?

AnyOldPrion · 01/03/2021 11:56

There was a groundswell of anger to be built upon & it's being squandered.

I am as frustrated as a few other posters about the fact that this campaign lacks teeth. I think there might have been an argument for boycotting, or (as an example) all women registrering their sex as female and gender identity as male.

But the reality is that the extreme and obviously deliberate lateness of their announcement (remember, it was falsely reported in the Times a few weeks earlier that sex was to be recorded correctly - presumably also a false leak) has meant that there has been very little time for discussion.

More time would have allowed for the thrashing out of various possibilities, the potential effects, and an estimation of potential numbers of women willing to take part.

For example, if only a few women boycotted, then prosecution and fines are more likely to be chased up. Had we known 100,000 women were willing to take part, then there would have been safety in numbers.

As another possible example, it was suggested women should register as men. It was pointed out that this would skew the figures and thus potentially affect women’s funding. Given time, we could have assessed whether enough women were willing to go ahead so as to skew the figures so far that it would be obvious they were inaccurate and therefore must be recounted or abandoned.

The idea of recording sex as female and gender identity as male didn’t come up, as far as I know. It might have been a better way to make it obvious the figures were skewed, but again discussion of potential impacts was necessary.

We have been left with no time to plan and it is perfectly obvious that was deliberate. It would be interesting to know whether FOI requests might be possible to reveal just how deliberate it was. From the outside it looks very coordinated indeed.

Anyway, frustrating as it is, mass letter writing campaigns have had an impact before, I understand, as if they are large enough, they make an impression that is hard to ignore entirely.

Ordering a paper copy is hopefully an inconvenience to them, though as paper has been routine until this census, they likely have good provision for it this time (might have had more impact had online been the standard for years).

I don’t think there’s any point in criticism of the women’s groups who have had to throw together last minute campaigns that are bland enough to ensure everyone will feel able to carry out the actions. They are doing the best they can with the resources they have.

All anger should be directed at the ONS. They are the ones who have shafted women with a deliberacy that ought to concern anyone sane. We don’t have to sort this out before the census. They will still be there afterwards and if we can find out what they did, then a stink can still be created, even if the census itself cannot be undone.

Leafstamp · 01/03/2021 11:31

Thanks for the reminder @NonnyMouse1337. Just ordered my paper copy. I await a response from my MP, but I got a promising acknowledgement.

Can I also add, if anyone who sees this isn’t already aware of the campaign by FPFW, and the update yesterday, please have a read here and consider picking up a spade if you’re able to.

fairplayforwomen.com/census-dirty-tricks-wont-stop-us/

NonnyMouse1337 · 01/03/2021 11:20

If you haven't done so already, please email your MP with your concerns.

sexinthecensus.org/do-it-now/

From today, you can request a paper copy of the census.

sexinthecensus.org/when-your-census-code-arrives/

Link to request paper copy:
census.gov.uk/en/request/paper-questionnaire/enter-address/

Olderstyle1 · 23/02/2021 10:34

Thanks Mole. This sounds like a useful addition to the range of options.

MoleSmokes · 23/02/2021 04:03

ConservativesForWomen Did the sexinthecensus group consider the group and/or individuals making complaints to the Office of Statistics Regulation about the ONS?

Quality and/or use of official statistics

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Stillamum3 · 23/02/2021 02:51

Thank you so much for this! It makes me feel I can at least do something

ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn · 22/02/2021 22:46

@TheFleegleHasLanded

Looking forward to seeing the websites and campaigns of those who are criticising the joint campaign of the 15 women-led groups.

Post the links here so we can all get behind them......

That is a shitty and predictable response.

Those groups have set themselves up to be the voice of many women, and they're the groups that are most likely to get seats at tables. Of course they can and should be criticised when they do ineffectual or potentially damaging stuff (remember Fair Play's disastrous and offensive disabled toilets debacle?).

This is a non-action.

TheShadowyFeminist · 22/02/2021 22:40

Sorry, are we supposed to clap along and praise this ridiculously ineffective campaign? Are the 15 women led groups who spent time pouring over all the options and devised 'compliance' as the killer tactic above criticism?

Pardon me for seeing through this build up to nothing of substance. But you carry on the charade if it brings you comfort.

TheFleegleHasLanded · 22/02/2021 22:00

Looking forward to seeing the websites and campaigns of those who are criticising the joint campaign of the 15 women-led groups.

Post the links here so we can all get behind them......

TheShadowyFeminist · 22/02/2021 19:28

"The data protection officer who receives the letters has one calendar month to respond to your objection. If they decide to reject it, they have to explain why."

Anyone who imagines the responses to this will be anything other than a dismissal or fudge is kidding themselves on.

This 'campaign' is a non event. It demonstrates that there's more concern over how it'll look than what is at stake.

There was a groundswell of anger to be built upon & it's being squandered. But I'm sure all those who signed up to this 'campaign' will continue to congratulate themselves on how hard they tried. Nothing like a bit of 'down with this sort of thing' finger wagging. I'm sure the ONS are suitably quaking over the threat of compliance with filling in the census. 🤦🏻‍♀️

If the JR fails, this 'campaign' will achieve feck all.

newyearnewname123 · 22/02/2021 18:22

If we're complaining about undermining the integrity of the data we can't really suggest something that does just that

So instead we will write to our MPs, who will ignore, and fill it in like the good little women we are.

This is frustrating, and I'm as scared as anyone else about being targeted or losing my job.