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Anti-FGM campaigner Hibo Wardere comes under attack

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JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 19/02/2021 08:20

Again. I know Hibo has put out more than one video clarifying that her focus is on women and girls and on stopping FGM, but she did another one last night after being piled on and called a hater for not being 'inclusive' in her language.
mobile.twitter.com/HiboWardere/status/1362100744216866825
I am bloody angry about it this morning.
Hibo Wardere is a personal hero of mine for the amazing work she's done.
Attacking her for not focusing on other issues is the lowest of the low. The misogyny is rank.
(Also, if anyone hasn't got her book 'Cut' on their feminist book shelf, I really do recommend it. It's not an easy read but I found her journey incredibly inspiring).

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yourhairiswinterfire · 19/02/2021 19:53

[quote PotholeParadies]Still ongoing.

The problem is not that she's centering women in her work and words. The problem is that she excludes trans women from it. 'I'm a woman. Get over it.' is what trans women say too. If everyone accepted that trans women are women just like cis women, no one would take issue.

twitter.com/planet_eltern/status/1362713672737583112?s=19[/quote]
FFS. How are they expecting transwomen to be included in this? How many transwomen or transgirls have had any of the following done to them against their will?

-type 1 (clitoridectomy) – removing part or all of the clitoris

-type 2 (excision) – removing part or all of the clitoris and the inner labia (the lips that surround the vagina), with or without removal of the labia majora (the larger outer lips)

-type 3 (infibulation) – narrowing the vaginal opening by creating a seal, formed by cutting and repositioning the labia

-other harmful procedures to the female genitals, including pricking, piercing, cutting, scraping or burning the area

ZERO. We don't even need to look for stats, because no one is destroying the vulva or vagina of transwomen/girls, because they don't have one.

Transwomen are not the same as women, so don't need to be included in absolutely everything, least of all in anti-FGM work and campaigns.

This is just so malicious, bullying a woman doing amazing work just for the fucking sake of it.

Much love to Hibo. Truly inspiring woman.

ArabellaScott · 19/02/2021 19:43

It really is unfathomable. Just when one thinks this ideology can't stoop any lower, they attack a women campaigning to stop girls from being tortured. It's just beyond me. I condemn them in the strongest terms.

Thanks, Hibo, for all the phenomenal work you do and have done. I'm utterly disgusted by the attacks made on you. It's totally unacceptable. More power to you. Flowers

PotholeParadies · 19/02/2021 19:42

Of course nobody is "obliged to believe that trans women are women". It would just be the kind thing to do.

Just as it would be the right thing to end FGM.

These things are not mutually exclusive.

twitter.com/Quatschmama/status/1362787302284681227?s=19

I may explode.

PotholeParadies · 19/02/2021 19:34

Still ongoing.

The problem is not that she's centering women in her work and words. The problem is that she excludes trans women from it. 'I'm a woman. Get over it.' is what trans women say too. If everyone accepted that trans women are women just like cis women, no one would take issue.

twitter.com/planet_eltern/status/1362713672737583112?s=19

StillAWoman2 · 19/02/2021 17:06

I’m appalled at the attacks on FGM campaigners, if nothing else convinced me I was on the right side of history on this ‘debate’ that would

Eowynthewarrior · 19/02/2021 14:12

I don’t see this happening in any other area of life apart from issues affecting women and girls. I don’t see people campaigning for a charity say for blind people to face an attack and pile on for not being inclusive of different needs. Or for a charity campaigning for prostrate cancer being attacked for not including ovarian cancer or skin cancer . Or for an football club being criticised for not including a reference to basketball in every match report they issue . Women and girls need campaigners about issues that affect them because of biology: likewise men. Likewise trans people . All have own needs

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/02/2021 12:29

And if you can force people to accept these extreme examples, you can get them to accept everything else.

This is exactly it. The most vicious attacks on GC women that I have seen have been around rape survivors wanting female only spaces or treatment.

Datun · 19/02/2021 12:28

@JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown

Again. I know Hibo has put out more than one video clarifying that her focus is on women and girls and on stopping FGM, but she did another one last night after being piled on and called a hater for not being 'inclusive' in her language. mobile.twitter.com/HiboWardere/status/1362100744216866825 I am bloody angry about it this morning. Hibo Wardere is a personal hero of mine for the amazing work she's done. Attacking her for not focusing on other issues is the lowest of the low. The misogyny is rank. (Also, if anyone hasn't got her book 'Cut' on their feminist book shelf, I really do recommend it. It's not an easy read but I found her journey incredibly inspiring).
And that clip is phenomenal. Instantly inspirational.

No wonder they can't stand her. She must terrify them.

Datun · 19/02/2021 12:25

@rawalpindithelabrador

Finally people are waking up to the misogyny and gynephobia of a movement which is trying to erase women.
In a nutshell.

And they go for the most extreme examples, like women who have been raped and sexually assaulted, FGM victims, women who have suffered still birth, etc.

Nothing can be left exclusively as something that happens to a woman. Even the smallest chink undermines the entire ideology.

And if you can force people to accept these extreme examples, you can get them to accept everything else.

The obvious enjoyment of targeting the most vulnerable is fairly transparent, too. For many, their explicit behaviour appears to be an end in itself.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/02/2021 12:03

They are, but it's amazing that they think that on this one issue they can talk over black feminist women who they'd otherwise have to defer to as per the "intersectionality" that they claim to support.

Darcinian · 19/02/2021 11:59

I think many of them are keyboard warriors in a purity spiral.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 19/02/2021 11:52

Lost my post.

I admire Hibo and these attacks are abhorrent.

There are academics and clinicians who are concerned about some of the collateral consequences of successful outcomes of FGM campaigns and these have nothing to do with Hibo's focus of concern.

Important to recognise the successful efforts of decades of law/education/ community engagement in UK, but more recent 'hostile', punitive policies drive racial stereotyping & harm in the tickbox name (but not spirit) of safeguarding

twitter.com/susan_bewley/status/1358786238451503109?s=20 in response to:

www.forwarduk.org.uk/forward-publications/fgm-safeguarding-bristol-study/

Plus from SB again:

The great Ali McFarlane takes on misleading numbers on FGM in the UK…. It's a largely successful story, but FGM 'industry' here exaggerates local risk & distortion whips up ££ & hate

twitter.com/susan_bewley/status/1358794836346822658?s=20
based on:

www.euronews.com/2021/02/06/fgm-covid-19-pandemic-thought-to-have-sparked-a-rise-in-female-genital-mutilations-say-exp

HermitsLife · 19/02/2021 11:43

Wow Ereshkigalangcleg that is disgusting.

The problem is how do you discuss the reality that too many girls and women face here and now with people who are determined to deny reality?

There is nothing transphobic about discussing FGM it has nothing to do with transgender issues, and don't get me started on the men getting offended about women drawing attention to FGM.

gardenbird48 · 19/02/2021 11:24

I read that part of the issue is that if that type of surgery is prevented on Hibo's little girls by law, it could also prevent certain surgeries on other groups of children and the activists don't want that.

Jaypreen · 19/02/2021 11:22

This tone of the comments on thread is massively encouraging. FGM is alive and well in Britain. It's another one of those "awkward and frank discussions" that Theresa May promised us -- that never took place.

Whatwouldscullydo · 19/02/2021 11:20

I'll watch this later. Thanks.

I've seen posts she's done before. She's so strong in the face of what must be horrific pile ons. For saying "no"

I have alot of respect for her! Keep fighting , we are behind you Flowers

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/02/2021 11:17

A particular gem:

twitter.com/annakayerogers/status/1269397504644259841?s=21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/02/2021 11:15

Jana Cornell replying to JK Rowling to thank her for her posts centring women, due to anti FGM campaigns being targeted. The responses, by privileged American woke types, were appalling:

twitter.com/radfemjana/status/1269389904175419392?s=21

OvaHere · 19/02/2021 10:57

I love Hibo. Her work is fantastic. The attacks on her show we have plummeted to new depths of a terrifying dystopia where all reason and moral compass have been completely abandoned.

All because the opportunity to showcase vile misogyny with impunity has presented itself and so many people, mostly men, have grabbed that opportunity with both hands.

FionaMacCool · 19/02/2021 10:14

Thanks for linking to that OP.

This insanity is so encompassing, that I have to step outside myself sometimes, and think back to a time, maybe 12years ago? when the idea of someone like Hibo being attacked in this way would have been unimaginable.

Yet, here we are. Bonkers. Absolutely bonkers.

If I ever had any doubts about being "on the right side of history", these unhinged attacks on victims of FGM blew them away. The right side of history does not vilify women for seeking to stop the suffering of millions of little girls...... bang-on, @CharlieParley

Brava Hibo, keep going, the silent majority are behind you (though we need to be less silent).

BarbaraofKent · 19/02/2021 10:14

I wonder if #imawomangetoverit can start trending on Twitter.

What a fucking fabulous woman she is.

PotholeParadies · 19/02/2021 10:13

Transactivists/men's rights activists chased Jana Cornell, the FGM survivor and campaigner, off twitter too.

persistentwoman · 19/02/2021 10:04

Demanding a hierarchy that places a remarkably influential, generally white group above some of the poorest girls / women of colour. Racist and completely unacceptable.
The only consolation is that this repeated overreach and incessant attacks on women are what has alerted people to what is happening. Hibo is a great campaigner and these continual attacks are vile.

HermitsLife · 19/02/2021 10:01

I have so much respect for Hibo

"I am a woman, get over it" ✊✊✊

DaisiesandButtercups · 19/02/2021 09:54

Love and respect to Hibo. Flowers She is such a brave, strong, energetic and supportive woman. A true heroine putting all her energy into making the world a better place.