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Anti-FGM campaigner Hibo Wardere comes under attack

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JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 19/02/2021 08:20

Again. I know Hibo has put out more than one video clarifying that her focus is on women and girls and on stopping FGM, but she did another one last night after being piled on and called a hater for not being 'inclusive' in her language.
mobile.twitter.com/HiboWardere/status/1362100744216866825
I am bloody angry about it this morning.
Hibo Wardere is a personal hero of mine for the amazing work she's done.
Attacking her for not focusing on other issues is the lowest of the low. The misogyny is rank.
(Also, if anyone hasn't got her book 'Cut' on their feminist book shelf, I really do recommend it. It's not an easy read but I found her journey incredibly inspiring).

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 20/02/2021 18:03

I have no words.

Women aren't allowed words any more, not of their own.

This subject is so sensitive and important and one of the ultimate examples of abuse of women purely down to their biology.

Demanding that women who have experienced this modify their language to avoid offending people with no skin in the game whatsoever is doubling down on the abuse.

The people doing this are abusers.

Igneococcus · 20/02/2021 17:59

She writes for the Spiegel, no wonder it's a pale shadow of what it once was.

HermitsLife · 20/02/2021 17:56

Wow.... could they be more tone deaf?

Phallic drift, I like it, I'll have to remember that one. Describes it perfectly.

334bu · 20/02/2021 17:49

twitter.com/planet_eltern/status/1362713672737583112

just in case somebody thinks that Tweet extract couldn't possibly be true

sourdoughismyreligion · 20/02/2021 16:14

@334bu

*The problem is not that she's centering women in her work and words. The problem is that she excludes trans women from it. 'I'm a woman. Get over it.' is what trans women say too. If everyone accepted that trans women are women just like cis women, no one would take issue.* ( Extract from a tweet) How can a female writer and journalist for a top German newspaper write such nonsense on Twitter about someone fighting against FGM It beggars belief!
Feeling jealous, upset and excluded because anti-FGM activism excludes transwomen has got to be one of the most deranged things I've ever seen.
334bu · 20/02/2021 15:55

The problem is not that she's centering women in her work and words. The problem is that she excludes trans women from it. 'I'm a woman. Get over it.' is what trans women say too. If everyone accepted that trans women are women just like cis women, no one would take issue.
( Extract from a tweet)
How can a female writer and journalist for a top German newspaper write such nonsense on Twitter about someone fighting against FGM It beggars belief!

notyourhandmaid · 20/02/2021 14:56

It's whataboutery of the highest order and it's disgusting. And racist AF.

aweegc · 20/02/2021 07:35

@NotBadConsidering

It’s not just sexist and racist, or detached from reality but it’s the epitome of the western privilege of gender identity and completely disgusting. That gender identity is somehow important when a little girls around the world are being held down and tortured. That somehow if that girl had played with trucks, worn “boys’ clothes”, expressed out loud that she was in fact a boy then she would have been left alone. That they would champion such an ideology above the realities of what happens to these girls...These people are vile.

The whole trans movement is a most horrific form of cultural colonialism. I know I'm not backing that up but I do t have the time or energy right now. Partly because what it means in reality is pretty much what we see on Hibo's Twitter as well as in a different way in NGO work in economically deprived countries.

I'm sorry Hibo is dealing with this shit. I'd LOVE woman's hour to have her back in to talk about that. Won't be holding my breath though.

NotBadConsidering · 20/02/2021 07:04

It’s not just sexist and racist, or detached from reality but it’s the epitome of the western privilege of gender identity and completely disgusting. That gender identity is somehow important when a little girls around the world are being held down and tortured. That somehow if that girl had played with trucks, worn “boys’ clothes”, expressed out loud that she was in fact a boy then she would have been left alone. That they would champion such an ideology above the realities of what happens to these girls...These people are vile.

MoltenLasagne · 20/02/2021 07:03

Self righteous evil is exactly what this is. Let the sunlight show these people for exactly what they are - not transactivists but anti-women activists.

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JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 20/02/2021 06:41

'Only cis women and girls suffer from this' would be a perfectly fine thing to say - from Darcinian's screenshot above.
Once again, this becomes all about TW not being allowed to be excluded from anything and about not trans men or non binary female people being included.
Either the tweeter has simply forgotten about them and is only interested in advocating for trans women or they don't believe Sudanese girls and women are capable of being trans and they are all 'cis', even under their own gender system.
The only other option is that they think that it's possible that identifying as trans would mean a child can opt out of FGM.
The first is bog standard sexism, the second is sexist and racist, and the third is just detached from reality. It's all completely incoherent.

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gigity · 20/02/2021 06:31

how do the people who carry out FGM know the difference between genders? 🤔

Also why don't male focused campaigns have to be inclusive?

gigity · 20/02/2021 06:23

Apparently it is absolutely vital that everyone makes sure to acknowledge that TWAW at all points.

If this doesn't happen, then something awful happens to transwomen.

It does not matter if it gets in the way of FGM activism.

People telling Hibo this are two white Europeans, btw. Telling a black woman who grew up in Somalia how to conduct her campaign against FGM within the Somali community.

Don't we have words for that kind of thing?

Yeah we do.... this is why it's such BS. TWAW need to be centred in every debate & debates need to be inclusive. How many of them centre others in their fight?

MotherWitch · 20/02/2021 05:31

Apparently Hibo is "throwing trans women under the bus".

If I say more I will get banned.

Anti-FGM campaigner Hibo Wardere comes under attack
Voice0fReason · 19/02/2021 22:42

Hibo is amazing.
FGM is so clearly a female only issue.
It seems that even when it's something so horrific, women are not allowed to have anything that is female only.

Sophoclesthefox · 19/02/2021 22:09

What a time to be alive.

rawalpindithelabrador · 19/02/2021 21:59

'cis', my arse! Gynephobia and misogyny at its finest. How fucking DARE anyone lambast a woman for saying this applies to females. 'cis' a slur to erase female girl and woman.

PotholeParadies · 19/02/2021 21:31

F'ing hell.

It happens to girls! Such muddy thinking. She has no idea of what's going on, she's just saying the words.

No-one doing this to little girls bothers to show them a Gendered Intelligence powerpoint on gender issues first to make sure they only do it to the "cis" ones.

TheElementsSong · 19/02/2021 21:25

I’m just imagining the smug self-righteousness as those arseholes typed those things at Hibo, somehow imagining Posterity giving them enthusiastic back-slaps for their noble fight for the Right Side of History. Truly nauseating.

BuntingEllacott · 19/02/2021 21:19

I'm just going to call this what it is. Self righteous evil. I feel contempt far more than I used to, but it's genuinely difficult to think of someone I despise to the uttermost more than the women who have tweeted these things to Hibo.

I hope one day they feel every bit of the wretched shame they deserve for their sickening tweets.

Darcinian · 19/02/2021 21:02

Can you believe this? Absolute fuckers.

Handmaidens want Hibo to say "cis-women". No mention of transmen.

Does she think the girls could have identified out of FGM? Does she think it happened because of how feminine the six year olds were?

I don't think she does but she desperately wants everyone in all circumstances to act like we all believe TWAW and TMAM. Not sure how nb would fit it. Can't even be arsed to think about it tbh.

Anti-FGM campaigner Hibo Wardere comes under attack
WarOnWomen · 19/02/2021 20:35

Hibo has a club of men who continually try to harass her fatblackcatspaw. It's disgusting.

Hibo is a courageous, generous and warm woman who does wonderful work. Much respect and admiration for her 💕💐

fatblackcatspaw · 19/02/2021 20:12

have look at an account called @ the fem bot a bloke who claims to be a feminist and supportive of women with trauma see pinned tweet but ha been attacking Hibo

HermitsLife · 19/02/2021 19:58

I have a lot of words for that kind of thing but it will get me deleted so you'll jut have to do with mute rage.

PotholeParadies · 19/02/2021 19:57

Apparently it is absolutely vital that everyone makes sure to acknowledge that TWAW at all points.

If this doesn't happen, then something awful happens to transwomen.

It does not matter if it gets in the way of FGM activism.

People telling Hibo this are two white Europeans, btw. Telling a black woman who grew up in Somalia how to conduct her campaign against FGM within the Somali community.

Don't we have words for that kind of thing?