Feeling really conflicted

This is board about women’s rights. I am fed up that we keep having to talk about the (imaginary) rights of other groups to take these rights away and centre them. However as the crimes of tw in prisons seem to match those of the other groups in said prisons for men, seem like an appropriate placement for them men need to change their violent and abusive behaviour. Not women’s problem to solve.

I'm not gong to name them and invite further harassment by posting their names on here, but it has happened to pretty much every high profile trans or trans supportive person I follow on twitter in one way or another. And it's been done by people who call themselves gender critical in most cases.

Oh aye, is that right?

But you conveniently don't have any receipts?

At least in the UK some areas of the mass media are willing to tackle this conflict of rights, unlike Canada, where there appears to be total " radio" silence

Glad we've got that cleared up.

I'm still waiting for that cascade of tras to come in and defend Hibo Wardere, and reassure some "transinclusive feminists" that they don't think Hibo needs to virtue-signal about transwomen.

Perhaps jj could put the bat signal out?

If transwomen are unsafe among male people , then women are even less safe when male people are allowed into women's safe places.

So when TRAs say men’s toilets are unsafe for transwomen they actually mean prisons.

And when TRAs say men's toilets are unsafe for transwomen they somehow mean its because of all the nasty feminists.

And it's been done by people who call themselves gender critical in most cases.

Rubbish.

The debate is toxic because its full of violently misogynistic TRA's trying to silence women with #nodebate, rape-threats, death-threats, harassment, de-platforming, attacking meetings, attacking women, cancelling women, intimidating domestic abuse survivors, taking women to court for 'wrong pronouns' (and repeatedly losing) pile-ons, getting them banned from twitter and constant lies.

women aren't assaulting TW in jail or in bathrooms. We don't go round wearing Kill all Terfs tshirts or telling men to choke on our genitals.

Its disgusting that you do this all the time.

Oh! So when TRAs say men’s toilets are unsafe for transwomen they actually mean prisons.

Got it.

It is disheartening that it would seem that it is only the right wing press who appear to have any interest in maintaining women's rights. However, this should not invalidate the reality of the attack on women's rights. Any society which will open up female safe spaces to a group of people of the opposite sex who are just as likely, according to all evidence, to be as violent towards women as other males, deserves to be called to account. Moreover, any society which acts so unjustly, without ever asking women for their opinions on this removal of their rights to safe spaces, is a deeply misogynistic, sexist one.

There have been gender critical people themselves who have complained about online abuse from within the movement after infighting has broken out. I acknowledge there is a problem with the way some trans people and allies have used social media in this debate, it's a shame few seem to be able to look at their own side and do the same.

Please don't ask me again.

I do worry. It is my belief that people should be allowed to live however they choose. If that’s as a same sex couple or not it should be celebrated. If it’s as non binary brilliant. I have met people who are transgender and it doesn’t bother me in the slightest because I decide who I like based on treatment of each other and our mutual likes. Nothing else. At the same time though I feel sad that gender terms, particularly those used by women are suddenly deemed ‘wrong’ and ‘offensive’. I feel like how I identify is gradually being frowned upon and changed. Breastfeeding is one such term, we hear regularly that some women are subjected to poor treatment over public feeding. Now we want to replace the term itself...why? I genuinely don’t understand how fact is suddenly offensive or wrong. I feel wrong for asking.

TW who are harassed & threatened are harassed and threatened by men and yet strangely it’s always women the TRA go after

There have been plenty of trans people and trans supportive people who've had their employer contacted, trans people's families harassed on the site that must not be named, people reported to social services etc.

Who? And by who?

I think Posie's recent comments calling for armed men to start using womens toilets to protect them from the trans

Except that's not what she said, is it?

Pothole it's honestly one of the most important things you can grasp. Once you understand that critique of tone in this context is simply a control mechanism to divert from the content of what you say because you are a woman who will not comply, it becomes much easier to simply focus on speaking up and ignoring those who are trying to control you.

The same applies to every irrelevant instance of guilt by association, long pompous male opinions, or appeals to be kind.

No woman is obligated to solve the problems others demand them to. Women do not need special justification to fight for the rights of all women and girls.

When you feel conflicted, ask yourself why you would feel conflicted about being concerned for women and girls. It's a good question to ask, always. It will tell you how much you've internalized the idea that women and girls should come as a lower priority than almost anything else. I encourage you to reject that conditioning.

And those people who would make such demands and plough through women’s boundaries despite women voicing their concerns, despite female discomfort, and who would consistently reject a more reasonable solution, are exactly the people I don’t want in.

Same here. Red flags all over the place.

You have asked me this countless times and I have answered many times. To repeatedly ask someone the same question they have already answered suggests you are not debating in good faith.

Ah, your stock answer yet again. I'll take that as a 'no' then.

You have never answered. This is what you said the first time I asked.

There have been plenty of trans people and trans supportive people who've had their employer contacted, trans people's families harassed on the site that must not be named, people reported to social services etc. The difference is none of this ever gets published by the right wing press. A prominent trans youtuber just received a string of death threats

Are these threats coming from feminists?

I think Posie's recent comments calling for armed men to start using womens toilets to protect them from the trans

She didn't do that, and you know it. There's a thread on here about that if you're still confused.

And those people who would make such demands and plough through women’s boundaries despite women voicing their concerns, despite female discomfort, and who would consistently reject a more reasonable solution, are exactly the people I don’t want in.

Sorry, this week, not last week.

third spaces have been suggested repeatedly ad infinitum by gc feminists. It is a suggestion consistently rejected. Because for the shouty tra’s (as opposed to genuine ts) it isn’t about mutually agreeable solutions to achieve maximum safety and comfort for all. It’s about male entitlement.