Bel Mooney article 'The Deletion of Womanhood'

As a feminist, she must know that there are others who have been trying to warn about all this for YEARS. She could have acknowledged these women instead of deriding the harridans, whoever they are.

I could go for a 'screaming harridan' T-shirt, tbh.

Aye, lass. If the screaming harridans had been politely sitting with our knees together and our hands in our laps, you wouldn't even fucking know that this shit was going down.

This is absolutely right. And it's always been the same - it was the screaming harridans who got us the vote, who got us the Equal Pay Act, who got us abortion rights etc. And now it's the screaming harridans who will absolutely fight this men's rights bullshit till our dying breath.

I think it's a very tired, lazy cliche and that, as a professional writer, never mind as a feminist, Bel Mooney should be capable of better than that. But I wouldn't want that to detract from the rest of the article.

^ this was directed at onedropsbeat's comment about the harridans. It's an analogy; many transpeople are quiet minding their own business, and not to be convoluted with bat-waving TRAs.

It's really good to see journalists no longer afraid to say TWANW.

That's how I read it too.

But -- she said it out loud, in a big newspaper! TWANW!
I wonder if the TRA's will go after the DM to get her sacked?

It's a good article. I don't think she is calling feminists harridans either, she's making a comparison. It's a direct reflection of the paragraph above it suggesting that many trans voices are being drowned out by a vocal few.

I think Janet SP is desperately trying to speak in her normal "accepts no bullshit' tone without being cancelled. Can you imagine how the TRAs would like to cancel her? She knows that chest feeding, cervix havers etc is all creepy male bollox but she's got a career to protect.

I can’t get angry about her comment * I call myself a feminist and yet I have nothing in common (except biology) with screaming harridans who loathe men.*

The way it comes across to me is in a way I would probably chuckle and agree

Being a feminist doesn’t mean you have to hate men and shout about it is all she’s trying to say IMO

Thanks for the links Sunset. Yeah that's a very muddled article by Janet Street Porter. But I must admit, I'd have put money on her being an advocate for gender ideology so, if even people like her are starting to question it, then that's kind of interesting.

I read the Janet Street porter one because I was a bit surprised to see it - I've a vague recollection of her being on the gendery side of things on loose women. She's obviously started to see some of the implications but it's all a bit confused. Confusing straight & 'cisgender', thinking the court ruling about freddy's child's birth certificate was unfair on freddy.

when the shit hits the fan, it's the screaming harridans who have your back.

// Absolutely Flo

Just read the JSP article ... it was actually quite disappointing, if that article was anything to go by she doesn't get it. And used cis FFS

Aye, lass. If the screaming harridans had been politely sitting with our knees together and our hands in our laps, you wouldn't even fucking know that this shit was going down.

I mean, whatever. I don't actually need to be thanked for doing the legwork, because I know what I'm doing is the right thing to do. But jaysus it'd be nice if the Janey-Come-Latelies would at least hold off the nasty barbs.

I mean, the fact that this silly trope is STILL doing the rounds is proof positive, should you need it, that feminism is still needed. This is self hatred, really. Misogyny snarling - don't speak up for your rights lest you become a 'screaming harridan'.

I call myself a feminist and yet I have nothing in common (except biology) with screaming harridans who loathe men.

Crikey, Bel.

I think I’ll change my name to screaming harridan, I quite fancy releasing my inner harridan. After a lifetime of being nice &!keeping my mouth shut I’m going to scream a bit.

Let’s reclaim the insults.

Thanks for linking this, it's spot on and useful guide for those who don't "get" why so many women are angry.
Although I am dismayed to agree with something in the DM. ..

All older woman of course - but this is all part of the tide turning. The overreach and the contempt for women are so evident that people are having the confidence to speak out in greater and greater numbers.

Sarah Vine:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9267775/SARAH-VINE-Feel-invisible-middle-aged-woman-Just-pretend-man.html

This is Janet Street-Porter's piece:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9250099/amp/JANET-STREET-PORTER-Dont-make-sacrifice-breasts-political-correctness.html

It's a good article. That line did get my back up. It's like she's almost there but is still labouring under the 'we have to be kind no matter what' mantra.

No Bel, you don't have to be kind all the time. Respect is a two way street and it's not given it's earned. It's okay to let go of our female socialisation and say no.

Also she seems to be under the impression that the majority of transwomen have had complete surgery and hormones when around 80% (I believe) haven't.

I enjoyed that for the most part. I think it's a shame Bel felt the need to have that dig, although I do understand why. I suspect she will soon discover that, when the shit hits the fan, it's the screaming harridans who have your back.

I didn't know Janet Street Porter had written about it too?

It’s a good article, but Bel still wants to play the cool lib fem and doesn’t want to upset men:

I call myself a feminist and yet I have nothing in common (except biology) with screaming harridans who loathe men.

Not cool Bel.