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How many women (or men) identify as cisgender?

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hallouminatus · 17/02/2021 21:02

On another forum, I said "Most women don't identify as cisgender, and many feel that describing them as such is disrespectful". Someone has asked me for evidence of this. I think it's probably true, but I haven't seen any statistics or even estimates of numbers. I'm interested in any evidence or arguments which would either support or refute my statement.

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Landlockedgirl · 17/02/2021 22:17

Nope, just nope.

VioletAlder · 17/02/2021 22:14

No. I am very definitely not 'cis'.

justanotherneighinparadise · 17/02/2021 22:10

I am not a subsection of my sex.

Thelnebriati · 17/02/2021 22:09

Someone has asked me for evidence of this.

Sometimes a demand for evidence can be disingenuous, so the first thing to do is ask them 'what evidence would you accept?' and see if their response is reasonable or not.

In this case obviously there aren't any studies or statistics, but the 'proof' is that 'cisgender' is not commonly used. You don't see the majority of people using it.
Its not a legal term, and it isn't used in equality law. The equality act refers to men and women. Even the gender recognition act doesn't use 'cis'. Its a term most women won't have heard of.

Labobo · 17/02/2021 22:06

I don't. It gives me the creeps that some tiny sector of society has decided that they have the right to redefine what I am and get angry if I don't conform. I am a woman.

midgedude · 17/02/2021 22:03

I suspect that it's telling something that men may be much more likely to be happy assuming most people are cis gender than women who perhaps suffer more from gender assumptions?

nzborn · 17/02/2021 22:02

Whoops nothing more nothing less

nzborn · 17/02/2021 22:01

I'm a woman nothing else nothing more.

sleepyhead · 17/02/2021 22:01

Nope. My mum brought me up not to force myself into boxes.

I'm female because I was born that way, but my preferences and responses to society are my own and personal to me.

bootlebum · 17/02/2021 22:00

Nope and would be offended if anyone referred to me as cisgender. I am a woman and was born a human female.

MrsBrunch · 17/02/2021 21:59

Gender, in the terms that they mean, relates to clothing, hairstyles, colours, toys, names, plastic surgery, synthetic hormones, mannerisms and behaviours. How can anyone 'identify' as those?

What you really need to do is ask them provide a definition of the words man, woman, gender and sex. Without using those 4 words.

They have so far failed to do that.

augustusglupe · 17/02/2021 21:57

I am a woman. I don't need to refer to myself as anything else. Why would I?

hamstersarse · 17/02/2021 21:56

I don’t really get to identify with anything

I’m just a woman. Not much I can do about it

MrsWooster · 17/02/2021 21:56

No. I am not a subset of woman. Woman is all-encompassing of Adult Human Females.

WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo · 17/02/2021 21:55

I'm not cis. I'm a woman. No other quantifier needed.

I find it offensive in the same way I'd be offended if DCs step mum referred to me as their birth/bio mum. I'm their mum. No other quantifier needed.

MichelleofzeResistance · 17/02/2021 21:55

I find this word extremely offensive. It implies that I associate with the gender stereotypes and voluntarily embrace the disadvantage that comes with my sex. I don't.

I also don't appreciate labels being applied to me that I didn't choose and don't agree with.

I also don't think it's a good thing for women to be relegated to a subset of their own sex.

This is a banned word on this forum under the guidelines because so many women find it offensive, although in the past few weeks it's been increasingly creeping in unchallenged. As we're deleted for the slightest hint of a transgression in language that a trans person may be offended by or find uncivil, it's reasonable to expect that women who find this form of language have their feelings equally respected. The same stringent standards should be equally applied.

Elladisenchanted · 17/02/2021 21:54

I do not identify as 'cis'. Adult human female suits me nicely. And yes I would find cis massively disrespectful. You don't want me 'misgendering you?', fine, please return the favour and don't assign me with a 'gender', I have a sex thank you very much.

MiddlesexGirl · 17/02/2021 21:52

Nope. Not cis here.
Woman ie. XX chromosomes. Usual body parts etc etc.

Puddycatfan · 17/02/2021 21:49

I would be massively offended if someone referred to me as cisgender, and they would bloody know about it too!

OverByYer · 17/02/2021 21:44

I don’t identify as anything.
I am a woman. That is all.

Souther · 17/02/2021 21:43

I'm not cis thank you very much and yes I would find it offensive if i was referred to as that and correct whomever said it.

gardenbird48 · 17/02/2021 21:42

nope.

I haven't got a 'gender', just a sex and I am not a subset of female I am just female. I find it an offensive concept as it relies on gender stereotypes which we left behind in the 70s but a number of people with an agenda are working hard to bring them back.

FindTheTruth · 17/02/2021 21:39

10,000 like for this seminal clip "Julia: "If you say that I'm going to ask you to leave my studio."

RaidersoftheLostAardvark · 17/02/2021 21:37

I find the entire concept of gender identity to be illogical and repressive. Personally I do not have a gender identity. This does not make me 'cisgendered'. I find the term 'cis' offensive and illogical. The entire concept of gender identity is mired in outdated stereotypes - it's impossible to discuss gender identity without referencing stereotypes.
For example - women don't work as nurses because of some inate womanly attraction to caring for the sick - it's because they were traditionally allowed to work as nurses, whilst being banned from training as doctors. Historically there were a pretty limited range of jobs women were allowed to do, so surprise surprise, those jobs are traditionally dominated by women (although not at the top end well paid levels - as those roles were reserved for men).
I'm female. I like some things that are stereotypically associated with women, some things which are stereotypically associated with men, and many things which don't neatly align to such stereotypes - cheese, the beach, wildlife photography, antiques - what does that make me? Answer - middleaged! My gender identity is the Antiques Roadshow.

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