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Fairplay for women take ONS to judicial review for redefining sex in census

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fatblackcatspaw · 17/02/2021 19:49

fairplayforwomen.com/

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Datun · 02/03/2021 09:48

The problem with the ONS manipulating the situation so the Census goes ahead regardless, is that they will be accused of a lack of integrity in their data at every turn, thereafter.

Even if certain questions asked have indeed fact based answers, the knowledge that they determinedly engineered a situation where some answers are not, makes them look totally dodgy and ideologically driven.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 02/03/2021 09:38

I haven't had the email in that case.

I, too, think the Census outcome will reveal that the ONS has out-manoeuvred those opposing it (hardly surprising).

I would like to think the JR has a positive outcome, I'm despairing at the likely cost of it.

drwitch · 02/03/2021 09:32

@EmbarrassingAdmissions they have emailed us
I think the battle (with the census) is probably lost, but if the JR goes our way that we might win the war. I think the case will show a) the importance of accurate sex based data and b) the petty corruption of organisations wanting to get blokia points

Gonescone · 02/03/2021 09:21

Just donated again to this. This is so important.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 02/03/2021 09:19

FPFW could do with emailing the people who consented to receive emails from them in re: the crowdfunder.

I'm a little taken aback that they didn't anticipate this and what the legal opinion is.

drwitch · 02/03/2021 09:09

More shennanigans from the ONS

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1366469214001893376

Xanthangum · 02/03/2021 09:05

Bumping, on the basis that I did a little more digging this morning.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2021 19:11

I've ordered paper so I can write I do not have a gender identity I have a sex with gender bollocks projected onto it. Or some such.

I noticed my union's latest questionnaire had a long list of options under sex recently It's everywhere

AbsintheFriends · 01/03/2021 12:26

I've ordered a paper copy. Thanks for the info and links

DialSquare · 01/03/2021 12:21

Dug again.

BingBongSong · 01/03/2021 12:07

I hope that they make it!

Fairplay for women take ONS to judicial review for redefining sex in census

Leafstamp · 01/03/2021 11:34

@BarefootByMoonlight

Is the template letter short enough to be easily handwritten? (no access to printer during lockdown)

I don’t think they’ve released the template letter yet, but I think the important thing will be the inclusion of the letter and a few sentences summing up the sentiment so I’m sure a handwritten version will be fine.

BarefootByMoonlight · 01/03/2021 10:31

Is the template letter short enough to be easily handwritten? (no access to printer during lockdown)

Xanthangum · 28/02/2021 19:17

Going good. Loving someone's 'nonsensus' comment

Cwenthryth · 28/02/2021 19:03

I started another thread to discuss responding to the gender identity question (it’s gone quiet but feel free to bump!!!)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4175161-If-you-don-t-have-a-gender-identity-how-to-answer-the-census?msgid=105047865#105047865

A lot of people feel ignoring it is best.... as I’ve explained/explored on there I’m not convinced - I feel that those of us who reject gender have been excluded from the design of the question from the start and to ignore it is to go along with that exclusion. I intend to answer it but have not decided the wording yet to make my position clear.

EightiesRobot · 28/02/2021 18:43

The gender identity question is optional. Better to ignore.

Xanthangum · 28/02/2021 18:21

Ignore it completely, and add the template letter as an extra submission I think

BoeotianNightmare · 28/02/2021 18:19

Did anyone reach a conclusion on how best to answer the gender identity question if you do not feel you have one?

BoeotianNightmare · 28/02/2021 18:17

@Taswama

Thanks for the link, I've requested a paper copy. What is the benefit of doing a paper version please?

You can send in a letter of protest at them effectively dropping biological sex from the census.

Leafstamp · 28/02/2021 18:03

Bumping.

This is really important.

MaudTheInvincible · 28/02/2021 17:00

All the details about the protest are on the sex in the Census campaign website posted by EightiesRobot. I've taken a couple of screenshots.

The campaign is to register a protest without damaging the quality of the data collected any further than it will be if the ONS's planned guidance goes live.

This was where I found out about the link: https://twitter.com/Womans Placee_UK/status/1365983028783284224?s=20