How did this happen?

I've seen 'where were the feminists while all this was happening?' loads of times in Twitter.

And I've explained: just because you weren't fucking listening doesn't mean that we weren't speaking.

Op, most people get something like sport.

If they want to know how this has happened, suggest they go on Facebook page and say something like what's happening, are men really competing against women in sport because they say they are women?

I imagine the answer you will get is, no fear, I'm not saying that!

And then they have their answer as to how it has happened.

It's a perfect storm of so many issues: you'd think programme-makers would be just gagging to tackle any of the numerous aspects of it, but apart from Newsnight's coverage of the Tavistock they are strangely silent.

I agree - it's hard to know where to start!

There is so much to explain that I find it very hard to cover even the tip of the iceberg without sounding a bit obsessed (and I don't think I am!)
Some of it is so crazy that bringing it up sounds nuts.

I will say though that sometimes people asking "did you know about this? What's all the controversy with JKR about...??" DO in fact have an idea of what's going on. But they know enough to be cautious about bringing up the subject, and are testing the waters a little to see how you react.

I must admit,
I don't know how they can see the smoke and not locate the fire

There's definitely some kind of block when it comes to a certain point.

I try to get in early that 'trans' is not one thing, because I realised when I fell out with my teenagers about it years ago that they thought of their young, anguished, vulnerable female friends when 'trans people' were mentioned, and I thought of blokes like Izzard putting on lipstick in women's toilets.

So first, it's broadly two distinct groups, who have virtually nothing in common beyond the dubious belief that humans can change sex, and who have very different needs. I think it's helpful to make it clear from the outset that young people (overwhelmingly women) who are experiencing distress or mental health difficulties deserve a great deal of support and empathy. They are not the problem, but a symptom of a far deeper issue.

From that position it's easier to go on to discuss male transitioners in women's safe spaces, sports, shortlists, roles, and how galling it can feel as a woman when someone like Caitlyn Jenner says the hardest thing about being female is choosing what dress to wear. Appropriation. Regressive gender stereotypes. Male domination in a different disguise. The removal of women's political autonomy almost exactly 100 years after their fight to gain it was successful.

Simon Fanshawe is a good person to suggest people read. He was a co-founder of Stonewall, and a liberal gay man, but is horrified what is happening, so disproves the line that only far right Christian white prudish ladies have a problem with it. Also Lucy McDonagh of the Deptford People Project, which provided support to abused women in a deprived area, until it was taken over by entitled middle class Goldsmiths students who insisted male-bodied people should be allowed into their women's groups and claimed greater oppression than the trafficked, pimped, abused women there. It casts a different light on the idea that the kids are somehow better informed about things than us stupid old Karens.

Links here www.holyrood.com/inside-politics/view,cofounder-of-stonewall-calls-for-calm_14648.htm?

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/23/leftist-women-uk-refuse-accept-labours-attempts-silence-critiques-gender-identity/

Show them this Tweet

mobile.twitter.com/Womensrunninguk/status/1349392628345925634

I do think running several marathons within days is awesome btw.

I must admit,
I don't know how they can see the smoke and not locate the fire.

Oh I see! Sorry, I thought you meant people who had fully seen it.

In a personal relationship, you don't have to use the PC language so I'd tell them directly...in words I probably can't type on here.

Put it this way, I told mum years ago to avoid using the loos at the local shopping centre.

Tell them to be careful or send them pictures of podiums. The podium thing most useful for men. Just tell them!

Obviously if it's a work contact you can't speak directly.

They want to find out. The BBC isn't telling them. The Guardian isn't telling them. It never comes up in PMQs

Even on here immediately people start asking why something is not in fwr.

Eveb when given a chance to ask questions and find out more some prefer just to ask it to be removed or re located

Sadly it would seen that many want the benefits of all the women who continue to fight for rights many frequently enjoy but don't wanna hear about it or see it.

I know OP, had a random conversation with DP last night on the phone. Mentioned I was reading and really needed to get JKR’s newer books and he casually mentioned the Twitter stuff and how he didn’t understand it
I didn’t know where to start, if I said it all I’d sound like a loon! It is absolute lunacy!!

Tbh it doesn't really matter how or that they didn't see it

The important thing is for them to take a stand.

I do feel as if I've been worried about this for years so it is odd to me when people wake up but the point is, we have them on board now.

I don't think the softened language helps.

But people are frightened to use words that would actually explain alot more.

Part of it has been because of the very aggressive campaign by TRAs to demonize feminists, and the association of genderism with gay rights (and even, weirdly, racial equality).