Staniland Question is so good. Can we think of others?

*I remember being terrified using a toilet alone when I was quite young by a man with quite a severe facial disfigurement and some kind of mental health condition that made him act a bit inappropriately but not really in a threatening or even creepy way. I was still scared to go in toilets on my own for a while after. These things happen to kids I certainly don't think that means he should have been prevented from being in there."

That's not the same thing and all and you must know that.

"What are the differences between men and women?"

Should third spaces be provided for people who find it psychologically difficult to use spaces for the sex they were born as?

To get a GRC a person must declare that they will live in their intended gender for the rest of their life. If they later behave in a way incompatible with this pledge should the GRC be revoked.

I'm thinking of sexual abuse involving the penis and pregnancy as the obvious ones that demonstrate lying.

Should families of 16 year old girls going on a school exchange trip be able to complain if their daughter has to share a room with a teenage male ,if said teenager identifies as a woman?

If all transwomen are women then are all women transwomen? If not, why not?

No, they are not. Because that's not how logic works. Set A being a subset of set B does not imply that set B is also a subset of set A.
Just change the words, eg
If all cats are mammals then are all mammals cats?
If all Italians are European then are all Europeans Italian?

Apologies if someone has already pointed this out.

[quote 334bu]Delphinium20

You might be interested in this thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3280690-Hostelling-Scotland-allows-men-to-self-ID-as-women-and-have-access-to-womens-dorms-and-shower-rooms?msgid=78735655#78735655[/quote]
Thanks!!

Honestly, while I do have sympathy for people with gender dysphoria, if a male-bodied person willingly chooses to remove their penis, I do rather feel it is up to them to accept the consequences of that action

agreed. While I know one young male person who suffers terribly with dysphoria, adults who in this person's life gently provide firm, but loving reminders to respect women and girls.

Delphinium20

You might be interested in this thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3280690-Hostelling-Scotland-allows-men-to-self-ID-as-women-and-have-access-to-womens-dorms-and-shower-rooms?msgid=78735655#78735655

Here's a question:

"Women saying 'no' to men. An end to the conversation, or an invitation to negotiate?"

Anyway happy to leave this now, I didn't derail this thread more than anyone else, I just asked questions and replied to the responses same as you all did.

Wow. No wonder the woman who asked this question was banned

Should a person with a communication difficulty, like autism, be convicted for asking for clarification of someone's sex?

Who was that lad with autism who was convicted of a hate crime after asking the trans man officer if he was a woman?

That person's disability was also a protected characteristic - another case where rights and provisions collide.

So lets leave toilets to jj, who apparantely thinks transwomen have penises that can't use urinals, and focus on other questions to be asked.

Why are transwomen fighting for the right to use female facilities, that are setup for usage by female human beings, instead of spending their energy on ensuring male facilities are more welcoming to them?

Why are transwomen celebrated for being the first women to instead of being the first transwomen to?

Why are transwomen claiming to speak for women when they will not even discuss female biology? How can a transwoman ever fight for female issues?

Should men and women be entitled to segregated toilets, showers and changing rooms for privacy and dignity?

Thanks OP. yes...I posted a second ago about hostels. I hadn't thought of this until brought up so I'm so grateful for @334bu for bringing it up. I see independent travel for women as such a rich opportunity that for much of history has been far more difficult for us than men. Allowing some sex-based spaces had opened up opportunities for millions of women and girls, and this should not be ignored.

Honestly, while I do have sympathy for people with gender dysphoria, if a male-bodied person willingly chooses to remove their penis, I do rather feel it is up to them to accept the consequences of that action. If that means reduced options in terms of where they can urinate, well, so be it. Voluntarily choosing to remove one's penis is not a free pass into women's spaces, especially as women already face much longer queues for the ladies' than men do for the gents.

Should health boards imply that female patients are guilty of transphobia if they ask for a female sexed mammographer?

"at what age did you (and/or your daughter) start understanding that males could be a risk?"

yes, that is a good one. I was 7. Nasty flasher outside the girls loos in the park.

Never went to those loos again.

I do think it's been a useful illustration of how women are expected to fix problems that are caused by men.

She was scared because of a MALE being in a place they are not supposed to be. She would not have had the same reaction to a physically deformed woman because a woman is entitled to be in a toilet no matter what she looks like.

I think a question to women should be, "at what age did you (and/or your daughter) start understanding that males could be a risk?"

She's a big fully grown teenager and she still won't bloody go to a public toilet alone, partly because that man freaked her out so much. The arrogance of these people. How bloody dare they.

I'm sorry this happened, but I imagine she would have been equally distressed had she run into a masculine appearing trans man and would have been thoroughly confused if you tried to tell her that some women look just like men and they are allowed to use women's toilets and some men look like women but they aren't and she should be able to tell because evolution has designed her brain so she can automatically know the sex someone was born as no matter how they look based on gait and pheromones - which I believe is some people's position.

I used to know a woman who called herself a cis woman (and was) who was never read as female by anyone. Even her voice sounded male. She did quite often use male spaces because of the amount of shit she got, but it's quite possible a child could run into her and assume she was a man so it's not just trans men.

I remember being terrified using a toilet alone when I was quite young by a man with quite a severe facial disfigurement and some kind of mental health condition that made him act a bit inappropriately but not really in a threatening or even creepy way. I was still scared to go in toilets on my own for a while after. These things happen to kids I certainly don't think that means he should have been prevented from being in there.

Well men's toilets have urinals for a start which are not suitable for many trans women, so they would be disadvantaged by having reduced toilet provision for a start.

What???? Do men's toilets not have cubicles as well? Good grief. Next you'll be telling that it's because men don't poo!