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Staniland Question is so good. Can we think of others?

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aliasundercover · 17/02/2021 11:10

The Staniland question:
Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?
is so clever. The fact that so many people refuse to engage with it - let alone answer it - means it's a quick, powerful, way of showing how ridiculous the TWAW position is.

Can we think of any others that would be as effective? Maybe we could come up with 5 or so really sharp questions that TRAs could refuse to answer. My first thoughts are something along the lines of:
Why is it racist to identify as another race but stunning and brave to identify as another sex?
I'm sure somebody can word that better.

So any suggestions? The questions need to be short and clear.

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CaraDuneRedux · 17/02/2021 12:05

@MingeofDeath

Do you think that there is a such a thing as a woman with a penis/man with a vagina?
Follow up question: does that make a lesbian or gay man who refuses to entertain the idea of sex with women with penises/men with vulvas transphobic?
malloo · 17/02/2021 12:05

If all transwomen are women then are all women transwomen? If not, why not?
Can any woman be a transwoman? If not, why not?

I find this a quicker way of getting to what the essential difference is.

MingeofDeath · 17/02/2021 12:00

Do you think that there is a such a thing as a woman with a penis/man with a vagina?

Labobo · 17/02/2021 11:56

What is the difference between a man and a woman?

My super-woke DS1 would say: That question isn't relevant because the trans movement is about people who have been born into the wrong sex. So they are women in men's bodies and therefore non-binary. And actually, I'd agree with him that this question can get closed down very quickly. He also says the bathroom argument is a straw man because there have been no cases ever of men posing as transwomen to access women's loos and changing rooms in order to assault women. I would love to know if he is correct on this.

We had such a long discussion about this recently. At least it didn't dissolve into a row. And to be fair to him he did say my constantly pressing the feminist argument has led him to realise it is a lot more complicated than he once thought .

ChakaDakotaRegina · 17/02/2021 11:50

If a female identifies as a man and is still partnered with a man, does that make them a gay man? Are you comfortable with them receiving funding set aside for gay men and speaking on behalf of the gay men’s community?

aliasundercover · 17/02/2021 11:46

Do you believe trans men convicts should be placed in a male prison even if they don't want to be?

That's a great one @Collidascope

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merrymouse · 17/02/2021 11:43

@Packingsoapandwater

I think there's something to be said about infamous figures.

So "does everyone have the right to self identify as a woman, even if they happen to be, say, Ted Bundy?"

The problem with that is that there are also infamous female offenders and people tend to assume that somebody like Ted Bundy would be held in a different kind of unit anyway.
CaraDuneRedux · 17/02/2021 11:43

Do you think we should separate men's and women's sports, or do you think we should just have a single "open" category?

SecondRow · 17/02/2021 11:42

My one is

If one male on a women's rugby team is ok, are 15 males ok?

ChakaDakotaRegina · 17/02/2021 11:42

If a 6ft 5 male identifies as a woman, is it safe for them to join a woman’s rugby team?

talesofginza · 17/02/2021 11:41

"Given that rape can legally only be committed by a person with a penis, does the risk to women and girls of rape increase, decrease or stay the same when male-bodied people are admitted into spaces where they were previously not allowed?"

InsideNumberNine · 17/02/2021 11:40

"At what point does a man become a woman?"

I've used this before on people not aware of the situation, and they usually answer with "when they have the operation"

It's more a leading question than a definitive question as it then opens up the discussion to "so if no physical changes are made, is being a woman merely an identity?"

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BiscuitSewingTin · 17/02/2021 11:39

“If female sexed people are menstruators/cervix-havers, do you classify all male sexed people (including transwomen) as prostate-havers?”

The wording might need a little refining but this question has two aims:

  1. To show that transwomen are male sexed and not female sexed, and therefore have male biology despite any surgeries and so should be grouped that way.
  2. To point out that ridiculous terms like “menstruator” don’t have male equivalents.

Ideally I’d like to find a way to word it point out bigger differences between female and male sexed bodies that are not affected by hormones or surgery, such as body size and socialisation.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 17/02/2021 11:39

Should I, in my role as a youth leader, allow a trans individual and a non trans individual share a room, as they are the same 'gender', knowing they may be in a relationship?

Floisme · 17/02/2021 11:39

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Aroundtheworldin80moves · 17/02/2021 11:36

Should a male sexed person, convicted of penetrating rape with their penis, be allowed in a prison with female sexed people who have been victims of rape.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 17/02/2021 11:35

Can you name a single characteristic of having a female gender identity that isn't a stereotype?

I've asked this multiple times and never had an answer. It's impossible to do.

Packingsoapandwater · 17/02/2021 11:33

I think there's something to be said about infamous figures.

So "does everyone have the right to self identify as a woman, even if they happen to be, say, Ted Bundy?"

Dozer · 17/02/2021 11:32

Sports is a good one IMO.

Xanthangum · 17/02/2021 11:31

@royalcorgi I think I'd assume the man is her dad.

Collidascope · 17/02/2021 11:29

Do you believe trans men convicts should be placed in a male prison even if they don't want to be?

Mermoose · 17/02/2021 11:27

"What is the difference between a man and a woman?" is a great question, but it doesn't work on TRAs - they simply answer "a woman identifies as a woman, a man identifies as a man".

Yeah, that's a good point, but I think that a lot of the time you ask questions for onlookers, to encourage them to have a think. The obfuscation about VSDs/intersex conditions can create a kind of fog in people's heads so they don't end up reasoning it out in their own minds.

RoyalCorgi · 17/02/2021 11:25

The academic lawyer Alessandra Asteriti had a good question on Twitter. (She has now been banned, of course, even though she was always polite and reasonable.)

This is it:

If you see an eight-year old girl going into a public toilet, and shortly afterwards you see a man go into the same toilet, do you:

a) go in after them to make sure the girl is safe
b) assume that the man identifies as female and do nothing?

lazylinguist · 17/02/2021 11:23

"If you believe people can change sex, do you also believe they can change species? If not, why not?"