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Staniland Question is so good. Can we think of others?

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aliasundercover · 17/02/2021 11:10

The Staniland question:
Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?
is so clever. The fact that so many people refuse to engage with it - let alone answer it - means it's a quick, powerful, way of showing how ridiculous the TWAW position is.

Can we think of any others that would be as effective? Maybe we could come up with 5 or so really sharp questions that TRAs could refuse to answer. My first thoughts are something along the lines of:
Why is it racist to identify as another race but stunning and brave to identify as another sex?
I'm sure somebody can word that better.

So any suggestions? The questions need to be short and clear.

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DdraigGoch · 24/02/2021 00:33

In the same vein, it is understood that if you enter a changing room, you consent to be naked in front of whoever is permitted to be in there.
So what happens if you do not wish to consent to be in a state of undress in the presence of a man? Are you expected just to avoid all changing rooms? Are Muslim women in particular to be excluded from swimming pools because they cannot risk being seen by a strange man?

334bu · 23/02/2021 22:59

When people who have prostates are called men in prostate cancer literature is this a discriminatory , transphobic act as transmen don't have prostates?

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 23/02/2021 10:36

@Chilver

If TWAW and TMAM, at what point does a Trans Man concede to being biologically female to be given life saving surgery and treatment for sex based diseases such as Ovarian Cancer?
I think because they believe body parts are neither inherently male or female, they can carry on the illusion without too much cognitive dissonance or conceding anything.

Of course we know that only women have uteruses, ovaries, vaginas, etc. And a woman who no longer has some of those parts is still a woman. Her DNA hasn't been altered.

It seems to us unnecessary to explain that but TRAs think they have an "aha!" moment when it's pointed out that only women can become pregnant and give birth, and they ask what about the women who can't, and are they not women, etc.

They seem to confuse
Only A can do X
with
All A must be able to do X.

Chilver · 22/02/2021 21:52

If TWAW and TMAM, at what point does a Trans Man concede to being biologically female to be given life saving surgery and treatment for sex based diseases such as Ovarian Cancer?

334bu · 22/02/2021 18:11

Is it fair that Government financed lobby groups are advocating the removal of the single sex exemptions from the Equality Act Exemptions which allow for example single sex rape crisis centres?

Vargas · 22/02/2021 13:54

@SecondRow

My one is

If one male on a women's rugby team is ok, are 15 males ok?

I like this one. The assumption from the TRAs about women's sport always seems to be 'come on TERFs, it's very rare and it's just one itty bitty transwoman who wants to play your game and shower with you afterwards, why can't you BE KIND and inclusive about that'.

This question really slams the point home.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 22/02/2021 13:39

(and if not, why not?)

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 22/02/2021 13:38

As FTF is a valid transgender Identity; Can a FTF be on a trans panel? www.google.com/amp/s/beyond-mogai-pride-flags.tumblr.com/post/167350281550/ftf-transgender-pride-flag/amp

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 21/02/2021 19:17

@EdgeOfACoin

Those of are very good. It's important for me to state that I don't believe Stephoknee represents transgender people, but that proponents of the ideology should give some thought to the acceptance without exception mantra in these cases. They might find themselves answering no to your questions but not able to articulate why that person's self-identification is not valid or in good faith. Because they're not willing to do any critical thinking.

notyourhandmaid · 21/02/2021 19:12

The Guardian style guide has it as 'female genital mutilation' still (and not to use 'female circumcision'. www.theguardian.com/guardian-observer-style-guide-f

EdgeOfACoin · 21/02/2021 18:57

Am I right in thinking that the Guardian now refers to FGM as Forced Genital Mutilation rather than Female Genital Mutilation?

I heard that somewhere, but not sure if it's true.

EdgeOfACoin · 21/02/2021 18:55

@Bluesername

Trans-age has been done- this 6 year old girl was adopted by a family in Canada:

Shock OMG!

Yes, Stefonknee is a rather disturbed individual, I think. It appears that Stefonknee has been convicted of a crime previously, but declined to say which one. If I were parents of a young child, I think I would want to know precisely which crime Stefonknee had been convicted of before allowing them to spend time with my child.

Stefonknee is quite good for questions:

Do you believe this person is a six-year-old girl?

Do you believe this person is female but not six?

Why do you believe that they are transgender but not transage?

If you believe that some people are born in the wrong body but that Stefonknee is not one of those people, why not?

Should Stefonknee be treated as a six-year-old and allowed unfettered access to children's spaces?

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 21/02/2021 17:59

I went on POF looking for a female partner. Fully one in twelve people were transwomen.

334bu · 21/02/2021 17:36

I think many transwomen who register on these sites are seeking the total validation of their new gender identity. Straight women are not enough as they are attracted to the male body, so it has to be lesbians

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 21/02/2021 14:59

@334bu

Should lesbian and gay dating services be forced to allow members of the opposite sex to register on them?
I think if dating app creators want to be inclusive they just have to be upfront about it. What seems to be getting attacked are apps that want to remain same-sex orientation. And it makes no sense for TRAs to want to be allowed on those apps as they would think it was full of t*s. Why would they want to date someone who wouldn't entertain dating a transgender person who claimed to be the same sex (but wasn't)?
334bu · 21/02/2021 14:50

Should lesbian and gay dating services be forced to allow members of the opposite sex to register on them?

Jarnsaxa · 21/02/2021 13:07

If there is such a thing as 'boy brain' and 'girl brain', then could that not be observed at the 20 week anomaly scan during pregnancy?

CompliantIndividualSignalling · 21/02/2021 11:59

How do dogs know the difference between "men" and "women"??

Now that's a great question - because they do seem to know the difference don't they?

Smell?

ItsLateHumpty · 21/02/2021 01:11

Now that she's realised that it would have to be 'cis girls and other people with a vulva‘ , will she realise exactly how awkward it would be for Hibo and others like her to have to say all that?

Plus, and it sickens me write this, as FGM can include removal of all or part of the vulva for those whose whose lives this directly affects, is she saying they are no longer people, or girls or women?

I have no words for her crassness.

PotholeParadies · 20/02/2021 23:59

She mostly seems confused about what she's arguing.

It honestly didn't seem to occur to her that a little girl could suffer FGM and not be "cis".

Now that she's realised that it would have to be 'cis girls and other people with a vulva', will she realise exactly how awkward it would be for Hibo and others like her to have to say all that? Hibo is trying to deliver punchy, effective messages that make people stop and think about a tradition and persuade them to reject the tradition.

She's not trying to lull people to sleep or write a Butlerian thesis that 5 people will read.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/02/2021 23:43

Those tweets are horrific - and she just keeps on going. Fml.

She was either being massively goady with that tweet or she's so mired in the ideology she didn't grasp the point Almut was making.

These people are contemptible.

Bluesername · 20/02/2021 23:31

Trans-age has been done- this 6 year old girl was adopted by a family in Canada:

Shock OMG!

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 20/02/2021 22:43

^^ I look forward to her medalling at the next Olympics in the mental gymnastics event. Will she also compete in the jumping through hoops and over-reach disciplines?

ItsLateHumpty · 20/02/2021 22:35

[quote 334bu]Should we replace Female in FGM with People because some people think talking about women and girls with regard to FGM is transphobic?

Nora Imlau on Twitter

twitter.com/planet_eltern/status/1362713672737583112[/quote]
Those tweets are horrific - and she just keeps on going. Fml.

The little girls lives and the life long damage she is hand waving away because we must always remember to centre men. The only positive from her insane ideals is the ratios, and comments, and sunlight.

twitter.com/planet_eltern/status/1362750164646187014

Staniland Question is so good. Can we think of others?
CranberriesChoccyAgain · 20/02/2021 22:32

@334bu

The clown emoji was a bit of a clue. 😁

Sorry it didn't show up on my screen. Also feeling a bit touchy about this subject as I had read through Hibo' s tweeter feed and oh my god I knew it was bad but no words!

No need to apologize, I understand.

I wasn't trivialising it or anything, just shining a light on how important words are and that they mean what they are intended to. The appropriation of our words is contemptible.

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