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Staniland Question is so good. Can we think of others?

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aliasundercover · 17/02/2021 11:10

The Staniland question:
Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?
is so clever. The fact that so many people refuse to engage with it - let alone answer it - means it's a quick, powerful, way of showing how ridiculous the TWAW position is.

Can we think of any others that would be as effective? Maybe we could come up with 5 or so really sharp questions that TRAs could refuse to answer. My first thoughts are something along the lines of:
Why is it racist to identify as another race but stunning and brave to identify as another sex?
I'm sure somebody can word that better.

So any suggestions? The questions need to be short and clear.

OP posts:
FindTheTruth · 17/02/2021 18:37

Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to control lesbian spaces online and to ban lesbians who say they are only same-sex attracted?

talesofginza · 17/02/2021 18:27

"If a child or adolescent hates her sexed body, should adults agree with her that her body is wrong and in need of fixing?"

"Are parents harmful or bigoted for encouraging their children to accept their bodies?"

FindTheTruth · 17/02/2021 18:25

Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress in a female hospital ward?

FindTheTruth · 17/02/2021 18:24

Do you believe that male-sexed people on trial for rape have the right to be addressed as female?

FindTheTruth · 17/02/2021 18:23

Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and get their balls waxed by a female beautician?

Labobo · 17/02/2021 18:22

Been at work all day. Thank you very much indeed to all those who have linked to actual resources to discuss with my woke son.

IvyTwines · 17/02/2021 18:21

Theatres, galleries etc with mixed sex toilet blocks - what magical thing do you think has happened to men in the last 2 years that you believe now makes them all safe?

Flapjak · 17/02/2021 18:20

How many transbian couples are there ?

Tootsweets23 · 17/02/2021 18:18

Mine are always:

Would you (assuming the you is a man) have a blood transfusion from Freddie McConnell even though it could kill you? (There is a 13% chance of a man dying if he has a blood transfusion from a woman who has been pregnant).

Should a convicted male rapist who says they are a trans woman be treated as a biological female and put in a women's prison?

ListeningQuietly · 17/02/2021 18:04

This is a health charity that seems to get the messaging right
prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/are-you-at-risk/trans-women-and-prostate-cancer

Flapjak · 17/02/2021 18:01

What is the average shoe size of a trans person of the male sex vs the average shoe size of a female

BahHumbygge · 17/02/2021 18:00

Would/should a transwoman be barred from adopting a particular dog who has behavioural issues arising from being terrified of men? Do animals, when perceiving humans, notice their sex or their gender? Aside from the huge capacity of humans to have society/culture/technology, are humans not also biological animals with a strong ability to correctly sex people? Why should humans be so exceptional as to have "genders", rather than "sexes", to dichotomise the human species? What role do these "genders" play with regard to human endeavours, advancement and continuity besides individualistic self-actualisation?

Flapjak · 17/02/2021 17:56

What are the differences between a transwoman and a transman.

Women and men have different signs / symptoms leading up to a heart attack. If a trans person of the male sex reports symptoms usually associated with males and not females how should the dr proceed given that to consider the person to have a male body could be intepreted as transphobic .

MildredPuppy · 17/02/2021 17:54

@jj1968

Yes of course. The child is male, will look like a boy at that age (girls and boys look the same pre-puberty), has a penis and will a urinal.

Sorry but are you arguing that somebody who everyone assumes is a little girl including potential sexual predators is safe in male spaces?

Okay next question, is the risk to women from a 10 year old trans girl using women's spaces greater than the risk to a 10 year old trans girl were she expected to use men's spaces?

I actually have something to say about this. Male children are at risk from sexual preditors at a very similar rate to female children. It is the vulnerability of a child that paedophiles tend to prey on rather than their sex/gender and they are mainly other men that are the preditors. As a mum of boys one of the scariest things is when you start letting your son go into public toilets alone. I cant offer them a sex segregated space to offer them protection but i do take other precuations.

In your scenario i think all 10 year old children, male or female, trans would be safer in the female space in fact many men would be safer in a female soace too. However, the reason it is safer is because males who have gone through puberty have been excluded.

The toilets are for females only to protect women not children, although some women are children. So the question is still does the presence of a male make it less safe for women not does the introduction of males make it safer for them.

(Im not personally fussed by pre-puberty boys using the ladies but i respect some women are especially by the age of 10)

334bu · 17/02/2021 17:42

Should women patients be asked to sleep next to a male bodied patient in an unsupervised bay on a hospital ward?

titchy · 17/02/2021 17:39

[quote jj1968]@titchy

It was in response to this.

Should female refugees be housed with male refugees if these males say they are women?[/quote]
But that was a question on sex separation, not on the principle of being locked up.

ListeningQuietly · 17/02/2021 17:34

How would an A&E doctor decide the gender of a naked unconscious patient?

If, as some say, TWAW,
what are the identifying features on the body that make a trans person NOT their biological sex?

Nellodee · 17/02/2021 17:34

The important thing isn't the risk that a person is at from being in a place (otherwise everyone would be in the women's), it's the risk they pose by being there.

wellthatsunusual · 17/02/2021 17:22

But how would any potential abuser know she was trans? Surely any trans woman or girl of any age who 'passes' would be at equal risk to any other woman using men's spaces. It's possible an abuser might stop halfway through when he realises, it's equally possible he might then beat her up for deceiving him, but neither of these prospects brings much comfort.

They don't pass. And even in the hypothetical scenario above why does the fact that a man dressed as a woman may be at risk in the men's facilities mean that each and every man should be allowed to use the women's? What is the logic?

Nellodee · 17/02/2021 17:22

If a transwoman feels that they are a woman, are they a woman?
If a transwoman feels that they are still a man, are they a woman?
If I do not feel that I am a woman, am I a woman?
Am I a woman?
Can we tell whether someone is a man or woman from the outside?
Should we always believe people are what they say they are?

jj1968 · 17/02/2021 17:20

@titchy

It was in response to this.

Should female refugees be housed with male refugees if these males say they are women?

titchy · 17/02/2021 17:20

As an aside though are asylum seeker children separated from parents?

Harriedharriet · 17/02/2021 17:20

I think that all questions about women's rights or female safety are pretty useless in the context of the op's question. Sadly - the people advocating for self id and #nodebate do not care AT ALL about women and girls. Actually, I think part of all of this is the thrill of dismantelling everything.
Therefore when trying to talk to the rest of the population thought provoking questions about biology and so on may be more effective.
I am surrounded by TWAW including my 13 year old dd, and quite a few respectable journalists. It depresses me no end, and I never know how to argue the point with them.
This movement is insanley aggressive in it's anti woman stance. I have yet to see ANY MTF Transperson declare that all women, indeed all of society, need to be protected from the few but effective aggressive men out there.

ArabellaScott · 17/02/2021 17:19

In what way are 'transwomen women'? What do they share with women?

334bu · 17/02/2021 17:19

As transwomen are statistically just as likely to be violent sex offenders as other males, should we allow them to access female only safe spaces?

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