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Staniland Question is so good. Can we think of others?

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aliasundercover · 17/02/2021 11:10

The Staniland question:
Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?
is so clever. The fact that so many people refuse to engage with it - let alone answer it - means it's a quick, powerful, way of showing how ridiculous the TWAW position is.

Can we think of any others that would be as effective? Maybe we could come up with 5 or so really sharp questions that TRAs could refuse to answer. My first thoughts are something along the lines of:
Why is it racist to identify as another race but stunning and brave to identify as another sex?
I'm sure somebody can word that better.

So any suggestions? The questions need to be short and clear.

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DryHeave · 25/10/2021 16:53

Should prisoners ever be at risk of pregnancy from fellow inmates?

Covers male and female prisoners. Side steps the “men are raped in prison too” line.

Mnusernc · 25/10/2021 16:26

Which men am I allowed to be afraid of?

Franca123 · 25/10/2021 16:21

Best one I heard is, would you leave your child at a nursery staffed entirely with trans women? If not, why not?

ThreeLocusts · 25/10/2021 15:45

On the point of there being no male equivalent of 'menstruator' - isn't 'wanker' a candidate here....?

LangClegsInSpace · 30/09/2021 21:39

@newstart1337

The simpler the better.

Can a woman have a penis?

Yes, all the Labour politicians should be asked:

'Is it transphobic to say only men have a penis?'

Winterlight · 30/09/2021 19:35

Should a rescue dog that has a fear response to men due to past abuse be re-homed with a trans woman?

MordenLarch · 30/09/2021 19:24

*male

MordenLarch · 30/09/2021 19:23

@jj1968

Should shop assistants, security guards and changing room attendants be required to establish what genitals people had at birth before they can be permitted access to toilets and changing rooms?

And how would they do this?

I like this game.

No, but it shouldn’t be mandated in law that make people can access female only spaces. It’s not difficult to understand.
MordenLarch · 30/09/2021 19:19

@Labobo

What is the difference between a man and a woman?

My super-woke DS1 would say: That question isn't relevant because the trans movement is about people who have been born into the wrong sex. So they are women in men's bodies and therefore non-binary. And actually, I'd agree with him that this question can get closed down very quickly. He also says the bathroom argument is a straw man because there have been no cases ever of men posing as transwomen to access women's loos and changing rooms in order to assault women. I would love to know if he is correct on this.

We had such a long discussion about this recently. At least it didn't dissolve into a row. And to be fair to him he did say my constantly pressing the feminist argument has led him to realise it is a lot more complicated than he once thought .

A quick look at transcrime.uk should educate him!
BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 30/09/2021 19:18

If sex is so difficult to determine, how have the Taliban decided who is no longer allowed to go to work?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/09/2021 19:13

@MiladyBerserko

I have no idea why she gets the credit for this question. Posie was asking this directly with regards her 11 year old daughter way before
Well, that will be because Posy was banned from Twitter a long time ago, and Helen wasn't, so she has been able to go on asking it and it's got a lot more traction in recent months. I hope this is an early sign of the tide turning.
MordenLarch · 30/09/2021 19:13

Why is Caitlin Jenner celebrated for claiming to be a woman while Rachel Dolezal is castigated for claiming to be Black?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 30/09/2021 18:58

“What surgical and/or medical procedure can change the chromosomes of a person of one biological sex to the other?”

“What medical and/or surgical procedure can change a male skeleton/pelvis to a female one? Or a female endocrine system to a male one?”

“What medical and/or surgical procedure can create a fully functioning vagina or penis?”

CinnamonMagic · 30/09/2021 18:34

"Do you have a conflict of interest to declare around why you're requesting we enter our gender pronouns? Does this add to your validation as a Stonewall ally or gain points for your Stonewall audit? What will you do with this information - do you plan to retain it or audit who did or didn't comply?"

Stonewall aside, I want to know if contributers to the meeting will be treated differently based on their pronouns. If I identify as he/him will I be able to interrupt people using she/her? Will I get more credit for work and ideas that have perhaps rehashed a she/her's contribution. Will my views be taken more seriously? Will I be able to negotiate a higher pay rise? etc.

As long as men and women are treated differently, asking for pronouns and making sex or gender salient to every discussion risks people being treated differently or suffering from stereotype threat.

TheABC · 30/09/2021 14:59

Can an Afghanistan woman identify as a man under the Taliban? If not, why not?

MiladyBerserko · 30/09/2021 14:41

I have no idea why she gets the credit for this question. Posie was asking this directly with regards her 11 year old daughter way before

ifIwerenotanandroid · 30/09/2021 14:36

@PumpkinSpiceWoman

Except you know full well that it's been answered. Frequently. It's not some clever gotcha.
What has been answered? If you mean the Staniland Question, I've never seen anybody from the other side answer it. I've seen people disappear from a thread at the sight of it, block, evade, report, insult, insinuate & make the ludicrous suggestion that HS is a danger; but I've never seen a straight answer to it.

The only people I've seen answer it are GC & the general public, who say no.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 30/09/2021 13:12

@Packingsoapandwater

I think there's something to be said about infamous figures.

So "does everyone have the right to self identify as a woman, even if they happen to be, say, Ted Bundy?"

This is close to the one I was thinking of:

Should a convicted male pedophile who targets girls & who is in the community, be able to self-id as a woman, giving him access to female toilets & changing rooms?

A follow-up if they say no would be:

What are the criteria for gatekeeping, who are the gatekeepers & how is it enforced?

  • which is more of an agenda for a discussion than a yes/no question, obviously.
NancyDrawed · 30/09/2021 11:13

I have heard it said that women shouldn't gatekeep single sex spaces and deny TW access, because if there IS an incident caused by a not really trans person, there are laws in place to deal with that (after the event of course).

Why, then, can't TW use the correct provision for their SEX, because if anything bad happened, there are laws in place to deal with that.

(As Magdalen Burns said, men need to stop being dicks around other men who look / dress / behave differently, but we are a long way from that - single sex while gender neutral)

But also, I have heard it said that if a man wants to do a woman harm, he won't stay out of a single sex space and aren't women silly for thinking that we can do anything to prevent it. Why, then, do TW think that using the women's single sex space is going to protect THEM? Because surely, if a man wanted to do a TW harm, he will just go ahead and do that anyway.

Naunet · 30/09/2021 10:21

For any man in an argument with a TW, who likes to cry about you being misogynistic or mansplaining or anything like that, just ask them what makes them more of a woman than you are.
I’m dying to know the answer to this.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 26/06/2021 13:28

The next time I'm invited to put my pronouns in a Zoom (now a feature since update 5.7.0), Meet, or Teams - in a professional setting:

Do you have a conflict of interest to declare around why you're requesting we enter our gender pronouns? Does this add to your validation as a Stonewall ally or gain points for your Stonewall audit? What will you do with this information - do you plan to retain it or audit who did or didn't comply?

junipertree2 · 26/06/2021 13:23

To a man -

'How would you react if you watched your 10 year old daughter walk into a women's toilet alone, and an obvious male sauntered in behind her?'

Honest responses only.

newstart1337 · 26/06/2021 00:44

The simpler the better.

Can a woman have a penis?

1Endeavour2 · 25/06/2021 18:51

Do you think anyone who chooses can identity as a disabled person?

PumpkinSpiceWoman · 25/06/2021 13:29

Except you know full well that it's been answered. Frequently. It's not some clever gotcha.

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