Fair Cop Court of Appeal 8-10 March

I think once you ask people to look for your child, you give them the facts. What is wrong with saying a girl who dresses and identifies as a boy? Answers to this name etc.

You mean aside from forcibly outing him, being transphobic towards him, and you speaking in favour of people who harassed a missing child alert because they considered the world knowing the contents of his pants as more important than the fact that he's a child that's reported missing?

I think once you ask people to look for your child, you give them the facts. What is wrong with saying a girl who dresses and identifies as a boy? Answers to this name etc.

none of us have seen your child, and they may pass for a boy. However I remain convinced that overall, lying about the basic facts about a missing child, such as their SEX is wrong.

Do you not think the parents and the police and best placed to make that decision not you? What if the kid had run away due to transphobic bullying at school or something, do you think misegndering them to tens of thousands of people would be likely to make them come home? You have no idea what was going on, what the kid looked like and how they might respond to being misgendered. It's not your, or Fair Cop's decision to make. It was a wicked, wicked thing to do to a child and a family who must have been going through hell and that it has support on here reiterates the point I've made many times that mumsnet is sadly not a safe space for trans parents or supportive parents of trans chldren.

I don't know the details of your case Outed, but I do know that in a democracy, it should never be the case that a private citizen can register a crime against someone else that shows up in record checks without any investigation by the police or court case and without the person knowing anything about it.

That has been the case in this democracy for many years, from far before hate incident recording began. What do you expect the police to do when someone files a report, not write anything down?

@outedbyfaircop I think I recall your situation and I wasn't aware Fair Cop was involved with it. I didn't think I could hate them more after they used victims who were murdered during the Holocaust to harass trans people with, but fucking hell. It's like they're physically loaded up with flashing neon signs that they're awful and yet there's still people lauding them.

I don't know the details of your case Outed, but I do know that in a democracy, it should never be the case that a private citizen can register a crime against someone else that shows up in record checks without any investigation by the police or court case and without the person knowing anything about it.
That has no place in a civilised or fair society. If you genuinely have been doxxed, I'd hope you have taken it to the police and I'd hope they'd take it seriously.
However, that does nothing to detract from the fact that hate 'incidents' as they are currently recorded are a dream come true for every stalker or person with malicious intent. No one should have a police record without being informed or the chance to defend themselves in court. Ever.
So yes, I hope people do google this, see this thread and investigate for themselves.

This thread will go dormant yes but google is forever :)

I’m sharing my experience of harm done to my gamily by this twitter account you’re all fangirling over. I saw its name in active. I saw one of its operators posting on it and being fawned over. I thought i would speak about my experience. I (mistakenly) thought that people who care about women and children’s safety would show some concern, i thought the people who did it might apologise or take responsibility for their actions. I thought people who are always demanding that other political movements distance themselves from dangerous extremists might also reflect that their own side of the street could do with sweeping. Haha mad i know.

Do you have a problem with women speaking up about things that have harmed them or made them feel unsafe?

Outed
What are you hoping to achieve?
You are clearly very angry but it’s not clear why you are posting. The judgement in the case will not appear for months so it’s likely this thread will be dormant soon.

Isn’t someone here a fair cop tweeter?

And let me tell you a story. When it became apparent my child had run away, obviously i was frantic and appealing for information all over my social media, my friends went out and looked in the park, the train station, the bus station. Later that night, a very good friend of mine who is a long standing and much loved mumsnetter started a thread on here appealing for sightings. When she messaged me to tell me, i messaged her back instantly going ‘oh god no, if they twig he’s trans it’ll do more harm than good and i can live without that shit just now’ she went oh shit sorry, I didn’t think, and we both reported the thread and had it pulled. But wouldn’t you know, exactly what i predicted came true? Am i spookily psychic or what? Let that sink in: my child was missing and i pulled the thread appealing for information from the country’s biggest parenting website, because i (correctly) predicted that it would bring down a whole heap of shit none of us had the capacity to deal with. I do not know who contacted Fair Cop with their super special insider info about how my kid looks and behaves, because, despite being a crusader for truth and honesty, they have not had the balls to approach me directly with their concerns. But i feel confident that whoever it is, they’re no stranger to this board.

So you tell me, are you proud of creating this environment, this toxic culture, where this sort of thing not only happens but is encouraged? No one here having a ‘are we the baddies?’ moment?

Why on earth do you think that users to an internet discussion board are responsible for something a third party did? I understand why you are upset but why are you cross with us?

If still being angry about what fair cop did to my family and have refused to take responsibility or apologise for is ‘vindictive’ and ‘obsessive’ well aren’t you sweet. I’m sure you’d be absolutely fine with it. Or is women and children being endangered only worth spending hours of your life ranting about on the internet only ok if it’s the right sort of women and children?

I didn’t take matters any further at the time but now i’m not sure if that was the right decision, given their oopsy oh well we’re just volunteers haha response.

[quote Defaultname]Definition of it's a fair cop
British, informal
—used to admit that one did something wrong and was caught fairly
I'm annoyed about the speeding ticket, but it's a fair cop.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/it%27s%20a%20fair%20cop#:~:text=British%2C%20informal,but%20it's%20a%20fair%20cop.[/quote]
c.f. Bang to rights

@Spero
That’s frightening. It does feel very Emperor’s new clothes. Everyone buying into a version of reality that can’t be challenged.

Thanks, Spero. I hope it is sooner rather than later.

Definition of it's a fair cop
British, informal
—used to admit that one did something wrong and was caught fairly
I'm annoyed about the speeding ticket, but it's a fair cop.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/it%27s%20a%20fair%20cop#:~:text=British%2C%20informal,but%20it's%20a%20fair%20cop.

One argument that I have started to use with public bodies that might also work with the police is that the trans’ rights / women’s rights is inherently political. It involves lobby groups, proposed legislative changes etc. These bodies like the police should be apolitical and it may undermine public confidence in their impartiality if they take anything other than a strictly neutral position.

I think it does give public bodies a way of stepping back to official neutrality. I don’t think it is going to magically fix the capture but it is a risk they can’t ignore.

The programme, incidentally, is rather amusing.

Completely off topic, but I love It's A Fair Cop. Really funny.

Ah OK - that makes sense nauticant, I'll have to listen out.

The programme has used that name for years. I did think of it when We Are Fair Cop chose their name and just assumed it was a coincidence.

The programme, incidentally, is rather amusing. (Well, at least to me.) He comes across as someone who knows that the police play the game of progressive views but are only really on board with the common sense stuff.