Fair Cop Court of Appeal 8-10 March

Spero I completely support Fair Cop's aims and have contributed financially. That doesn't mean that I don't sometimes wish whoever is tweeting for them might think for a few minutes before diving in boots first. Just because I support you doesn't mean I can't see faults when they occur.

It's a group of volunteers campaigning in their own time. You want slick professionalism, I am afraid you have to pay for that.

here's a suggestion: next time you're too busy to check that your tweets aren't a) massively inaccurate, b) endangering an already vulnerable child, and causing massive distress to their friends and family, and c) based on nothing but sly spiteful bitchy gossip, you could um, not tweet? what other facts has this account been too busy to properly verify? what else have you been wrong about? anyway I accept your nonpology.

If anyone wants to catch up on the case

The principles involved in this hearing are really important to us all and I support fair cop for bringing it about.

However, fair cop frequently put their foot in it and have said some stupid things on Twitter. They have been their own worst enemy at times. I hope they are learning and there will be less heat and more light in future.

Glad to hear your child is safe.

This thread is about a court case.

By all means start a thread about Fair Cop outing your safely home child. Had their been doubt about how your D.C. presents and your D.C. was still missing, there may have been some justification for it, but as your D.C. was safely home it was unkind and unnecessary. So start a thread.

keep pushing this narrative that I am a 'liar' and a bad parent though.

Do you know what case this thread is about?

I was suggesting you have a specific debate not no debate. This thread is on a limited topic. You would get a much broader debate on your own thread.

Stop misrepresenting what I said. That is a cheap and transparent tactic that does you no credit.

. I know how he looks and is perceived by others

This is the worry of the whole ideology though, does your child 'pass' or are people too scared by being labelled bigots, to speak truthfully?? Maybe your child really does pass, I still can't fathom lying to the public who I am asking for help from in looking for them.

Police are putting out calls to look out for 'female' criminals, who are in fact males who have made zero effort to pass as women....but rather than get accurate information out, the validation of a criminal is put first.

People don't like being lied to.

This is about free speech, which is a hugely important overriding principle which needs protecting and reinforcing.

do you agree with 'but free speech' being a justification for wading into a sensitive situation about which they knew absolutely fuck all, and putting an already very vulnerable child in further danger? is it free speech to shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre?

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If you feel this strongly please would you consider starting your own thread.

This thread is about a human rights case being heard in the Court of Appeal today and tomorrow. It is not about we are Fair Cop as an organisation.

[quote Numicon]@outedbyfaircop but if your child didn't want to be found, having run away, then they may well have stopped dressing like a boy to avoid being found as easily. And considering they actually are female, to dupe the public in the description is pretty....odd.
I'd have said a girl, who usually dresses and presents as a boy.
Males and females even move differently, someone seeing a girl walk by, would not think she were the missing 'boy'.[/quote]
guess who, I know my child, and he would never present as female, even as a disguise. you're reaching a bit here to defend the indefensible. I described my child as he looks and is perceived by others. I know how he looks and is perceived by others, as he is my child and I have known him all his life. or perhaps you know him better than I do? what colour are his eyes?

Thanks Spero, will keep an eye on Twitter tomorrow. Hoping for more sunlight now that spring is here.

I don’t particularly dislike the things you’re saying. I’m perfectly happy for you to continue saying whatever you want on this thread, since that is your prerogative.

I have said that one thing you have claimed is entirely untrue, and that’s because it is entirely untrue.

I don’t want to derail the thread, and I don’t see the point of arguing, either. So I was simply explaining that I am no longer going to engage in this particular discussion.

@outedbyfaircop but if your child didn't want to be found, having run away, then they may well have stopped dressing like a boy to avoid being found as easily. And considering they actually are female, to dupe the public in the description is pretty....odd.
I'd have said a girl, who usually dresses and presents as a boy.
Males and females even move differently, someone seeing a girl walk by, would not think she were the missing 'boy'.

this is a thread about fair cop? I am posting about fair cop. I'm sorry you don't like the things I am saying. but I thought they'd be interested in being accountable and addressing my concerns, on a thread where they are posting prolifically.

Anyway I am very keen not to engage in any derailment of this thread because it’s hugely important and, as pp have said, this really does have very important implications.

I think its hard for parents a without a trans child to accept that you didn’t think presenting the facts about your child was more important that affirming their gender identity. Yes, when someone goes missing, an accurate physical description is important, and if your child looks like a boy then that should be made clear. But to ignore their material biology in such a situation? Thats hard to understand.

you know what I find hard to understand? that posters on a parenting site are defending people exploiting a family's worst moments for political clout, defending all the ghoulish prurient speculation about my kid turning up murdered. all so they could make a point. fair cop put my child in danger. for people so concerned with safeguarding children, it's insane to me that people are defending this. and how telling that people are more interested in demanding I link to transphobic posts (which are deleted under mn guidelines) than engaging with this. I know it's hard when your faves are problematic, I really do. but if you are going to demand that other people examine uncomfortable truths within their movement, you have to be prepared to turn that same lens on yourself.

@outedbyfaircop I have to take issue with that assertion, because that is entirely untrue.

No one here has ever said that all trans individuals are any of those things you said.

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I am glad to hear your son is doing better now.
Whilst I understand your frustration this case has really wide implications and we will be focusing on that when the court sits again tomorrow.