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Omid Djalili on women's rights issues - not funny at all

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derxa · 16/02/2021 19:01

mobile.twitter.com/omid9/status/1361739351911235591

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Lordamighty · 19/02/2021 14:43

Does anyone ever change their minds during these Twitter spats though?
Despite all the disagreeing with his view he is ploughing on & the unbridled glee when he latched onto the “Dr EM is anti trans” tweet, giving him his get out of jail free card.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/02/2021 14:43

Bunting Grin

BuntingEllacott · 19/02/2021 14:42

Remember that bit in The Mummy where he ran head first into a wall inside an Egyptian temple because a supernatural scarab was in his head, and dropped dead?

Apparently he's using that scene as a model for how to interact on Twitter.

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 19/02/2021 14:33

@Darcinian

I am expecting Gervais to skewer him soon.
And for Frankie Boyle to jump to ODs side.
Darcinian · 19/02/2021 14:30

I am expecting Gervais to skewer him soon.

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 19/02/2021 14:23

@Floisme

I think that when you realise you have painted yourself into a corner you have two choices: 1) Have a good laugh about what an arse you are. 2) Insist to anyone who will listen that you chose this corner and that any right thinking person would have chosen it too. Repeat until all but your closest friends have drifted away.

To some extent I can see how a political party can end up taking the second route. I'm more surprised that a comedian cannot spot the humour in their situation and yet here we are.

OD, with a massive following, has likely seen firsthand what comes of disagreeing with the mob that are TRAs. In his mind, calling women who want to discuss what is happening to their rights Nazis is less harmful to his status than risking being labelled a transphobe for agreeing that women should have that platform.

Funny really, what seems to be the common thread amongst misogynist men is the complete understanding that TW are most definitely NOT women. They'll happily chant trans rights are human rights while pushing women's rights under a bus.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/02/2021 14:15

I totally agree, I feel so sad whenever I read anything these days on this forum.

I know it's hard, I think that's why many women refuse to see it is happening and get angry when it's pointed out. Being aware of the misogyny in society isn't fun, and it's not something you can unsee Thanks

Floisme · 19/02/2021 14:10

I think that when you realise you have painted yourself into a corner you have two choices:

  1. Have a good laugh about what an arse you are.
  2. Insist to anyone who will listen that you chose this corner and that any right thinking person would have chosen it too. Repeat until all but your closest friends have drifted away.

To some extent I can see how a political party can end up taking the second route. I'm more surprised that a comedian cannot spot the humour in their situation and yet here we are.

Horizons83 · 19/02/2021 13:58

The left have carefully crafted a narrative that free speech is inherently right wing therefore supporting it makes you Nigel Farage.

And ironically pushing people to the 'right wing'. Until recently I was always a Lib Dem voter. Now the only party who I can genuinely say I feel represents my core values and the aligns on the issues that matter to me is the Conservative Party.

nauticant · 19/02/2021 13:54

You have to admire the gall of those making the argument:

"You know who supports free speech? Nazis. That's right, it's Nazis who support free speech."

A neat example of The Big Lie.

SheGonBringThatAttitudeHome2 · 19/02/2021 13:52

Should free speech at universities be a priority right now?

This reminds me of those politicians who say - "now is not the time to talk about gun control" - just after the latest mass shooting.

There never is a time to talk about some things.

Funny that...

HubertHerbert · 19/02/2021 13:47

I had a recent lecture on free speech at uni. Very heavily framed as 'the only people who feel their freedom of speech is being curtailed are dickheads who want to say racist things without being challenged'.

It's really disheartening

RoyalCorgi · 19/02/2021 13:40

The left have carefully crafted a narrative that free speech is inherently right wing therefore supporting it makes you Nigel Farage.

And apparently have no idea how stupid this makes them look. Do none of these people have the basic common sense to take the next step and ask how mocking an interest in free speech is going to play with the public?

nauticant · 19/02/2021 13:33

I used to be pretty relaxed about free speech, things looked fine as far as I could see and so I thought people banging on about it were obsessives.

Then I saw that people who were trying to say something important were being silenced. It could be done without there needing to be a Stasi arresting people. That changed my view hugely.

BentBastard · 19/02/2021 13:26

It doesn't both me in most instances, they're all presenting an imagine above anything else.

Deborah Meaden was a tad disappointing but she isn't the first and won't be the last to disappoint.

BentBastard · 19/02/2021 13:24

The left have carefully crafted a narrative that free speech is inherently right wing therefore supporting it makes you Nigel Farage.

As a result Twitter this morning is full of the usual suspects clamouring to let their followers know they don't give a shit about free speech.

DoctorTwo · 19/02/2021 13:22

His repeated tweeting on this is making him look unhinged

I completely agree @nauticant, it's as if Djalili's gone doolally.

Darcinian · 19/02/2021 13:04

Free speech and covid are not separate topics. Free speech is vital to solve problems like covid.

It is a huge problem if our future leaders the 18-22s at uni are led to believe it is acceptable to no platform, no debate, seek safe spaces in the place they are supposed to be learning to think, explore and debate.

Training future scientists, journalists and politicians to think like astrologers and despots is a disaster in waiting.

Open the windows, let the sunlight in now. Debate debate debate.

zanahoria · 19/02/2021 12:46

Should free speech at universities be a priority right now?

this is a loaded question

clearly it is not as important as covid but parliamentary time can be found for it

littlebillie · 19/02/2021 12:42

@krustykittens

Does anyone feel we are going backwards in terms of women's rights? Rape is practically de-criminalised, we don't have equal pay, women dying every week at the hands of their partners and now we can't even say that our sex exists as a biological fact without being the targets of physical and verbal abuse. I have lost two friends over this because they believe that anyone who disagrees that transwomen are women is a hateful bigot who doesn't have the right to breath (paraphrasing but you get the gist). Universities are amongst the worst for fostering this attitude and there is no debate. We are just expected to hand over our sex-based, hard won rights without a murmur and just be grateful we are allowed to exist.
I totally agree, I feel so sad whenever I read anything these days on this forum.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/02/2021 12:38

It's particularly interesting when we had someone trying to make the argument that the Lib Dems stood for freedom.

Lib Dem women say what? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4169389-Lib-Dem-women-say-what

Darcinian · 19/02/2021 12:37

Lib Dems are getting unfavourable ratios to put mildly.

MissBarbary · 19/02/2021 12:32

[quote WinterIsGone]On the subject of free speech, I just saw this LibDem twitter post regarding Layla Moran on QT Shock

Should free speech at universities be a priority right now? "Absolutely not"

mobile.twitter.com/LibDems/status/1362548170568433669[/quote]
The Lib Dems of all parties, don't think free speech is a priority- mind boggling.

And as for this claptrap of it being a "distraction" - we are taking about the Government and the vast machinery of Government. I kind of expect the Government to be able to deal with more than 1 thing at a time- even in a crisis. The "distraction" is calling it a distraction.

In fact any sane person would want the Government to be carrying on as much as possible with business as usual otherwise it'll all pile up and won't be dealt with.

yourhairiswinterfire · 19/02/2021 12:29

I don't know how Lawyers advise, but wouldn't they have at least told Omid to step back and not comment on the issue further if he's taking action?

Would a lawyer (or judge) be impressed that the man crying abuse has hopped straight back onto Twitter to start rounds 2 and 3 against a woman who has locked her account? (presumably to avoid his 292k followers)

oneglassandpuzzled · 19/02/2021 12:29

@Wearywithteens

krustykittens - I feel exactly the same. I keep hoping a miracle will happen and someone highly influential and universally liked will declare the plain truth about the emperors new clothes but no, every day it just gets worse.
JKR was influential and generally liked, donated a lot to charity, etc. It didn't stop them.
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