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Omid Djalili on women's rights issues - not funny at all

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derxa · 16/02/2021 19:01

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CaraDuneRedux · 17/02/2021 09:45

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PotholeParadies · 17/02/2021 09:41

@NewParent11

Explain how he's an inadequate male for us?

It's responses like that which cause people to dismiss feminism. The assumption that all women are like you

If someone's response to seeing a woman posting on a message board is to thi
PotholeParadies · 17/02/2021 09:40

@NewParent11

But what has his tweet got to do with feminism? There was a bit of a leap to decide this was an attack on women
I think the key might be context.

The article, which the OP already quoted extracts from, refers to and quotes from one (and only that one) person who has been deplatformed.

Therefore Omid has explicitly characterised her as a Nazi.

Prof Selina Todd, an Oxford University academic who previouslyhad an invitation to a conference celebrating women withdrawn over her stance on transgender rights issues,welcomed government action although she said the free speech champion could be a "blunt instrument".

She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that universities have "dismally failed" to uphold freedom of debate in recent years.

"Things have got a lot worse for academics and for students - many of whom get in touch with me anonymously to say how frightened they are to speak out," she said.

NewParent11 · 17/02/2021 09:36

Explain how he's an inadequate male for us?

It's responses like that which cause people to dismiss feminism. The assumption that all women are like you

SheGonBringThatAttitudeHome2 · 17/02/2021 09:31

Another inadequate male?

I'm losing count.

NewParent11 · 17/02/2021 09:31

But what has his tweet got to do with feminism? There was a bit of a leap to decide this was an attack on women

PotholeParadies · 17/02/2021 09:28

Called her Adolf.

AdHominemNonSequitur · 17/02/2021 09:27

@newparent1. He said he didn't know why people were worrying about free speech, with all the important things going on but went on to say all they had done was refuse to platform a nazi. Then he called someone in the comments one for objecting.

KevinTheBird · 17/02/2021 09:25

To be fair to OD he did become slightly more gracious further on in the thread and stopped calling everyone a Nazi. He didn’t apologise or anything though.

Omid Djalili  on women's rights issues  - not funny at all
PotholeParadies · 17/02/2021 09:20

@NewParent11

I don't think you've read the original tweet or understood context. He posted a news article about free speech at universities, someone replied and decided to bring up feminism out of nowhere, he said this was distracting from the point he was making. No one can argue that there is still huge inequality between genders however trying to overpower and trample other worthy causes is overall detrimental and is what fuels the negative stereotypes of feminists.
As I gave everyone a screenshot of the original tweet and linked to it directly (on the first page) I am sure my fellow mumsnetters have read it!

Did you post on this thread without considering context?

BuntingEllacott · 17/02/2021 09:20

@NewParent11

I don't think you've read the original tweet or understood context. He posted a news article about free speech at universities, someone replied and decided to bring up feminism out of nowhere, he said this was distracting from the point he was making. No one can argue that there is still huge inequality between genders however trying to overpower and trample other worthy causes is overall detrimental and is what fuels the negative stereotypes of feminists.
I don't think you understand the context. It's not from out of nowhere. Left wing women are indeed among those caught up in the purity fad of who is permitted to speak. Djalili is speaking from a place of ignorance and so are you.
KevinTheBird · 17/02/2021 09:19

newparent11 there was a whole paragraph about Selina Todd in the article he shared. In fact she was the only person mentioned by name as having been actually ‘no platformed’. All the others mentioned in the article are just giving their views on free speech. It’s not unreasonable for women to assume the person OD is referring to as a Nazi is Selina Todd.

everythingcrossed · 17/02/2021 09:16

@NewParent11

I don't think you've read the original tweet or understood context. He posted a news article about free speech at universities, someone replied and decided to bring up feminism out of nowhere, he said this was distracting from the point he was making. No one can argue that there is still huge inequality between genders however trying to overpower and trample other worthy causes is overall detrimental and is what fuels the negative stereotypes of feminists.
The problem is that everyone wants to ignore the elephant in the room regarding free speech in universities which is that it is very much about feminists being harassed and sidelined. James O'Brien devoted an hour of his show yesterday to "Do we need a free speech tsar in our universities?" but specifically said that callers weren't allowed to talk about trans vs women's rights - because it's too complicated and do you want to check everyone's genitals before they go into the ladies' toilets?

It's not about whether it's fair to give a platform to holocaust deniers or white supremacists, it's very much about whether feminists should have a right to their views and I don't see how you, Djalili or O'Brien can pretend otherwise.

AlfonsoTheTerrible · 17/02/2021 09:11

An ad hominem attack is the first indication that the person has no valid argument so they distract from the issue by namecalling.

So tedious, so juvenile.

NewParent11 · 17/02/2021 09:09

I don't think you've read the original tweet or understood context.
He posted a news article about free speech at universities, someone replied and decided to bring up feminism out of nowhere, he said this was distracting from the point he was making.
No one can argue that there is still huge inequality between genders however trying to overpower and trample other worthy causes is overall detrimental and is what fuels the negative stereotypes of feminists.

RoyalCorgi · 17/02/2021 09:03

He doesn't seem to have grasped that it's the Nazis who stamped out free speech. Defending freedom of speech doesn't make you a Nazi.

Wanker.

Sophoclesthefox · 17/02/2021 08:51

@DickKerrLadies

Remember when invoking Godwin's law was seen as a bad thing?

[wanders off muttering about when the internet was all fields]

I know! For some reason the rule seems to have got mixed up with Russian Roulette, and first one to call Nazi is either deemed to have won the argument by dint of being on the right side of history, or has to get in the sea, depending on a sliding scale of being a woman and being perceived to be right wing or not.

All very confusing.

DickKerrLadies · 17/02/2021 08:42

Remember when invoking Godwin's law was seen as a bad thing?

[wanders off muttering about when the internet was all fields]

donquixotedelamancha · 17/02/2021 08:12

I've paid good money to watch Omid Djalili live. I did not think I could dislike him more after that.

Looking at his tweets I don't think he has any clue about the issues. I doubt he even read the article before posting a reflex 'Tories bad' comment.

He thinks he's much cleverer than he is so, of course, the people pointing out the 'Nazis' he references include left wing women 'don't understand nuance' because he can't possibly be wrong.

AdHominemNonSequitur · 17/02/2021 08:11

And the targeting of youth.

AdHominemNonSequitur · 17/02/2021 00:08

@Okokokbear Sneaky. Did that make you feel better? Meaningful comparisons can definitely be made with totalitarian uprisings, but not with GC academics requesting free speech. The SJM censorship and propaganda machine in action currently bears quite a few similarities with Germany circa 1940. Abigail Shriers books being burnt, the public being convinced of moral superiority, lofty use of rhetoric and mantra and powerful words like justice. Rainbow flags and symbols.The vilification and othering of a shared enemy who embody evil versus the purity of the true believers. The peer pressure to conform. But overall I think the current situation is much more comparable with totalitarian ideologies on the left.The Red army of the Chinese Cultural Revolution where students went after the academics. The stinking old ninth. Substitute "terfs" or "transphobes" for bourgeoise and substitute SJW for the people's army.

IvyTwines · 16/02/2021 23:35

@Wearywithteens

krustykittens - I feel exactly the same. I keep hoping a miracle will happen and someone highly influential and universally liked will declare the plain truth about the emperors new clothes but no, every day it just gets worse.
She did and look what happened - online charmers making an RIP hashtag with tends of thousands of likes trend on Twitter, then when some people put their head above the parapet to condemn the rape and death threats being sent to her, another group of young women in the arts attacked them.
MissBarbary · 16/02/2021 23:35

@Okokokbear

I don't know what is going on here I'm not gc. But I do agree it is disresctful of the victims of the nazis to go round calling people a nazi just because you don't agree with them. Call them a fascist or whatever. But this doesn't sit right with me.
"Fascist" isn't much better. It just means (a) someone disagrees with you and (b) everyone who votes Conservative.
Wearywithteens · 16/02/2021 23:05

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krustykittens · 16/02/2021 21:40

Does anyone feel we are going backwards in terms of women's rights? Rape is practically de-criminalised, we don't have equal pay, women dying every week at the hands of their partners and now we can't even say that our sex exists as a biological fact without being the targets of physical and verbal abuse. I have lost two friends over this because they believe that anyone who disagrees that transwomen are women is a hateful bigot who doesn't have the right to breath (paraphrasing but you get the gist). Universities are amongst the worst for fostering this attitude and there is no debate. We are just expected to hand over our sex-based, hard won rights without a murmur and just be grateful we are allowed to exist.