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For all those who are happy with TW in single-sex spaces if they have “had the op”

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MoleSmokes · 16/02/2021 11:02

So you would not be happy with Blaire White in your public toilets/changing rooms/refuges etc. but you would be OK with Jessica? Hmm

Apparently, JY is not only being “lewd and inappropriate” to the female firefighters sent to lift JY out of the bath twice a day but has been harassing women on Twitter, by tagging them in posts with selfies of the suppurating neo-vag and asking them for advice 🤮

”JY is back and worse than ever”

This is the dilemma that will arise if you go down the ”but true trans are OK” route of gate-keeping women’s spaces.

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Nighthawker · 16/02/2021 18:05

I don't believe the photos are actually of JY's body. Surely someone of JY's BMI would have been denied elective surgery due to the health risks? I think they are stolen photos and JY is a pathological liar and narcissist.

Awning10 · 16/02/2021 17:58

From the urban dictionary:

truscum

A queer individual that holds the belief that you require gender dysphoria to identify as transgender.

The beliefs of some truscums can be a bit extreme, though most aren't. The one thing all truscums have in common is that they believe you must experience some form of gender dysphoria (no matter what form of dysphoria, as long as it is existent) to be able to identify as transgender.

MoleSmokes · 16/02/2021 17:36

@PurpleHoodie

I doubt it. JY is a one off. Not representative of the normal true trans.

This is simply no true. Yaniv's beliefs, words and actions are very typical of transgenderists.

There are threads here dedicated to their postings on the broader internet.

Transgenderists should not be confused with transsexuals who understand they do not want to be attacked for their presentation but who understand the need for sex segregated spheres.

There is a reason why transgenderists call transsexuals scum.

I stand to be corrected if I’m wrong but my impression is that when people talk about “true trans” they are talking about transsexuals who have “had the op”. I have never come across the term being used other than in this way.
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Jux · 16/02/2021 17:26

I'm proud to say I'm blocked from @tustednerd

Typesofcatalogue · 16/02/2021 16:56

Does anyone know for a fact those photos are really of that person?
Surely the gatekeepers would be assessing and screening surgery applicants and only allow this surgery for the most sane and emotionally stable people.
This is very odd.

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 16/02/2021 16:37

@youkiddingme

Several people in the video comments suggesting the photos are 'borrowed'. No idea if there's anything in that
With JY's past antics, that is a very likely scenario.
PurpleHoodie · 16/02/2021 16:36

I doubt it. JY is a one off. Not representative of the normal true trans.

This is simply no true. Yaniv's beliefs, words and actions are very typical of transgenderists.

There are threads here dedicated to their postings on the broader internet.

Transgenderists should not be confused with transsexuals who understand they do not want to be attacked for their presentation but who understand the need for sex segregated spheres.

There is a reason why transgenderists call transsexuals scum.

MoleSmokes · 16/02/2021 16:23

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown I have seen some horrible things on Twitter too - not just “Anonymous Anime Characters” but identifiable people with real jobs, not “basement-dwelling incels”.

Another recent video by Blaire White, who is probably what most people imagine to be the epitome of “true trans” - but who is not. (The “true trans” distinction is meaningless.)

”THIS is why the trans community isn’t respected (RANT)”

Jenn Smith (transgender male) explains why attempting to make the distinction is dangerous - and how women can be lured into countenancing “acceptance without exception”, even at the expense of the safety of their own children:

”The Transgender Jedi Mind Trick”

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JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 16/02/2021 16:05

I doubt it. JY is a one off. Not representative of the normal true trans.
I'm not sure about that at all. JY is an outlier because JY is either too psychotic or too spectacularly dim (or both) to realise that JY is doing enormous damage to JY's cause.
However, as soon as you spend any amount of time on Twitter attempting to discuss the issue, it becomes clear that JY's motivations are horrifyingly common.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/02/2021 16:01

JY is an attention-seeker with an enabling mother. How JY has evaded the Canadian equivalent of being sectioned is a mystery to me. If a person behaving as JY does can convince a surgeon of having capacity to understand and consent to major and irreversible elective surgery of that nature, the medical profession has a huge problem.

picklemewalnuts · 16/02/2021 15:58

Adhominem, changes to the body will affect hormone driven urges. However lots of sex crimes are not hormonally driven. They are more about power, dominance and abuse than hormones.

MoleSmokes · 16/02/2021 15:50

Completely agree Barracker.

(Missed in the cross-post until now!)

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MoleSmokes · 16/02/2021 15:49

”surgery has definately been used historically for social functions (courtiers to royal women etc). I don't know what to make of that.”

The idea was that surgery in those instances removed the risk of pregnancy and of muddling “the line” with illegitimate offspring.

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AdHominemNonSequitur · 16/02/2021 15:40

I take your point about female only means female only, but I am still very suprised that having full bottom surgery and being androgen deprived does not, ahem..quieten down, some urges and behaviours such as JY's. I thought that puberty blockers used to be used (entirely unethically) to eliminate sexual drive in gay men (Like with Alan Turing) and surgery has definately been used historically for social functions (courtiers to royal women etc). I don't know what to make of that.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/02/2021 15:33

Amen to that, Barracker. I'd like to see a huge investment in mental health services and counselling, with an emphasis on recruiting level-headed people who are empathetic, capable of very clear communication in plain English and extremely good at critical thinking to work in said services. They would spend a good long time with the deeply confused children, teens and adults with gender issues untangling their ideas about what it means to be a man or a woman, exploring the harmful effects of gender stereotyping, discussing upbringing etc etc, all with a view to bringing the confused people to a realisation that you can be anything you like in personality terms, but you are stuck with your biological sex for the whole of your life, just as you are with your adult height or your eye colour. Cosmetic surgery is superficial. Hormone treatment is not 100% safe.

Pipe dream, of course.

MoleSmokes · 16/02/2021 15:29

The op" does not cause personallity disorders.

If I gave you the impression that I thought that, then I apologise.

The people (mostly in prison) who attempt self-castration, sometimes successfully, clearly have psychiatric problems beforehand. They are usually very dangerous people who are clinically psychotic.

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LongPauseNoAnswer · 16/02/2021 15:26

I saw the photos by accident and it’s horrifying. Horrifying because it’s a genuine “look at my new vag” narcissist firework display.

Not enough brain bleach in existence to wipe it from my head.

Barracker · 16/02/2021 15:23

JY is a one off. Not representative of the normal true trans.

Simply not true. There are MANY.
One of the very first truest of true trans recognised with an early GRC shortly after the GRA became law, was the case of the convicted murderer and rapist "Karen Jones". Not to be confused with "Karen White". Another male rapist in women's prison.

Jones killed a man, was imprisoned, released, and almost immediately attempted to rape a woman to get put back inside. Whilst inside, he was awarded a GRC. Not content with his GRC, he demanded to be relocated to the women's prison in order to be considered to be "living as a woman" to get his operation. (He'd already been considered to have 'lived in role as a woman for two years' to get his GRC. But he argued he had to do it in a woman's prison to get his operation) The secretary of state denied him the transfer, so he took them to appeal and won the right to be housed with women under the guise of "I have to, in order to get my operation, even though I'm a murderer, a rapist, and already have a GRC"

Its immaterial whether a man amputates his genitalia, or does not. Whether he has a GRC, or does not. Whether he is a known rapist, or is not. Whether he takes hormones, or does not. Whether he's dangerous, or is not.

There exists no magic portal for any men to become women. There is no "true" trait that overcomes this reality for any man. All men are men. Forever. There's nothing "true" in any man that renders him an honorary woman, no matter who he is, what he feels or what he does.

We perpetuate a dangerous myth when we hold up 'becoming female' as if it was a prize for men who perform, or threaten, or have drastic procedures, or gain ridiculous certificates.

It's way past time we stopped offering up women as sacrificial lambs for men who demand we not treat them like other men.

notyourhandmaid · 16/02/2021 15:22

Ah, the 'true trans' - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

NK493efc93X1277dd3d6d4 · 16/02/2021 15:16

Absolutely agree with the way it is at the moment.
I was originally one of the "only post op" supporters but the only trans I was aware of were old school dysphoric transexuals (usually gay) who simply wanted to fit in quietly.

The recent massive push on surgeries has led to the exhibitionist variant such as JY who constantly crave the attention.

Gottalife · 16/02/2021 15:11

How can you possibly know when no one even knows how many trans people there are and how many have had “the op”?

Serious question.

I have never, ever encountered anyone like JY and I think I probably have more chance of being struck by lightning. "The op" does not cause personallity disorders.

MoleSmokes · 16/02/2021 14:56

@Gottalife

This is the dilemma that will arise if you go down the ”but true trans are OK” route of gate-keeping women’s spaces.

I doubt it. JY is a one off. Not representative of the normal true trans.

A “one off”? Hardly.

How can you possibly know when no one even knows how many trans people there are and how many have had “the op”?

Serious question.

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Gottalife · 16/02/2021 14:46

This is the dilemma that will arise if you go down the ”but true trans are OK” route of gate-keeping women’s spaces.

I doubt it. JY is a one off. Not representative of the normal true trans.

MoleSmokes · 16/02/2021 14:22

Blaire White has pixilated the image so the video is safe to watch.

JY is apparently claiming the need for two baths a day due to having had the op.

“Gender Dysphoria” can be due to psychosis. Some clear examples already in prison. This is another travesty: institutional capture that has led to this diagnosis being ignored.

If JY does end up in prison or a psychiatric facility then, this being Canada, it will be with women.

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Zinco · 16/02/2021 14:18

Or maybe, ask one of the firefighters...