Trans campaigners want to abolish prisons - wonder why?

I'm glad to hear that YetAnotherSpartacus, as having skimmed the doc, I was equally alarmed to read a suggestion to "Decriminalise Mental Health" for transpeople. What does this even mean? As far as I'm aware, having a mental illness or being sectioned under the Mental Health Act are not criminal offences?

It's very harmful and stigmatising to those suffering mental illness and detained for their own safety, to assume a link with criminality or risk to others.

Or is it being suggested that trans people diagnosed with mental illness, deemed at risk of committing criminal acts or harm to others, should not be detained and treated, but non-trans people should?

I think people need to see the report for what it is. At the start, it is clear that it is not a policy document, but rather a community consultation and write-up thereof. In other words, it reflects the views of the trans community or at least that part that contributed, but it isn't making policy recommendations from this.

Women aren't safe from male people anywhere anymore. Even on a forum like this. To want to abolish prisons without dealing with the spectrum of male entitlement that includes violence is naive and dangerous.

YY.

There was a peculiar mix of trans people as victims and trans people as offenders. Surely each group has different needs? It ends up be misleading - see the bit attached which ends up implying that it is trans people committing the hate crime offences whereas I am pretty sure they mean hate crimes against trans people. It's not the most coherent document. They'd do themselves a favour by separating out victims and offenders problems and solutions and within that amab and afab.

For example the report claims that transmen who commit domestic violence are treated much more harshly by the courts than transwomen who commit dv but then that kind of gets lost in the talk of TW in sex work and hate incidents.

Good to see a recommendation of new refuges and services catering to trans needs. That's a much better solution for trans people than trying to get opposite sex services to function well for them as well as the core service users.

While the abolishing prisons bit was eyebrow raising I found myself far more concerned about the frequent mention of prostitution and brothels needing decriminalisation in order to keep transwomen out of prison.

Thanks @notyourhandmaid with some detail, proper research and funding some of this could be helpful to the wider community, although Compulsory Education sends a chill down my spine.

It doesn't address what we do with violent offenders, sex offenders and criminals who are otherwise a danger to society.

It is interesting how these proposals are large on big ideas but always lack the details and practical administration.

• Decriminalising sex work.

They don't say what they would do with violent criminals.

Announced a couple of weeks ago. It was suggested by the minister that it was because there will soon be 20000 more police on the streets, presumably concentrating on arresting troublesome women. Given that all the organisations concerned with women prisoners and indeed the Government have worked on reducing the numbers of women in prison and providing alternatives it seems a surprising . I think they would be unwilling to disclose another group of prisoners who might need such facilities ( or maybe they were told not to say in case it put said group in a bad light)

There's to much whataboutery and derailing for me to have read the full thread so can somebody tell me what these transactivists propose as an alternative to prison for criminals both violent or otherwise?

So do we think that the 500 new prison places for women (UK) are actually going to be used for the purpose of housing all those extremely violent women or is there more of a demand from elsewhere?

True colours emerging though, that's what we need, more sunlight.

Oh no. Another jj show.

He told them that fraud had been committed on a massive scale and that he had in fact won the election and that they had to go to the Capitol to fight or they would lose their country. If you don't think he understood what would happen, you must believe that he is deeply, deeply stupid.

What would Trump have to gain by deliberately trying to incite violence at that point?

The protesters weren't 1% of the force that would be needed to genuinely "overturn the system". If that's what they wanted, they got absolutely nowhere.

Some more information on prisons (from fpfw): the vast majority of sex offending is committed by males. There are over 80,000 male prisoners in England and Wales. Close to 1 in every 5 male prisoners have been convicted of a sexual offence. That’s about 14,000 male sex offenders; almost 20% of the male prison population). In contrast very few female prisoners have been convicted of sex offending. Fewer than 150 women in prison today have been convicted of sex offending. That’s just 3% of the female prisoner population of around 4000 women.

jj1968

If you do a bit of research, I think you will find that DandyMandy has said nothing which isn't true and well documented. Both "Drill" music and Hiphop glorify misogynistic behaviour.

[quote NiceGerbil]Prison reform trust is good in the UK if anyone is interested.

You can donate etc if it's something you feel strongly about.

www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/[/quote]
Thank you for that link @NiceGerbil

You keep going. You're the one picking and choosing what to listen to. I don't pander to the mens rights mob.

Keep going.