Q&A thread for New Posters

yes it is MNnickname - we cannot post direct links to crowdfunders for feminist causes on here

I have a question please:

What are the references to digging/off to the allotment/spade work etc?

Is this donating money to feminist causes or activism more generally?

Male High School Athletes vs Female Olympians

boysvswomen.com/#/

When the IOC looked at it in 2015 they used a single study of 7 athletes which was carried out by a TW which concluded that since transitioning they couldn’t run as fast. The fact that they were all considerably older than when they were at their fastest was brushed aside

The usual magnificent standard of trans research But I’m a bit surprised that the IOC associated itself with such junk statistics.

In terms of how that person moves through their everyday life - how people refer to them, what spaces they’re allowed into - what do you think should happen?

Helen, I’m sorry you feel your questions aren’t being answered. I thought they were being answered. I accept that you meet some people who call themselves non-binary, and you may not know what sex they are.

I would call them by whatever name they choose.
As you are talking about you LGBT network, I expect you are expected to refer to them as “they” (or whstever they choose, as that is what the group wishes; if you disagreed you would probably not be in a T group but an LGB group.

What spaces they’re allowed into: that’s a very different question. Males must use male or mixed-sex spaces. And that is most of the space in the world. Only female people may use women’s single-sex spaces, as that’s not a whim or a privilege but a necessary recognition of women's vulnerability to male predators.

If you don’t know someone’s sex, but find out that a male person (however he identifies himself) has intruded into a women’s space, I would expect you to ask him to leave. And I would not stay in a network in which his behaviour was encouraged.

I hope this is helpful.

That's an interesting stat, jj.
Of course, I believe the PP was talking about hate incidents rather than hate crimes which is a completely different thing.
I also notice your graph uses percentages rather than numbers.
If you look at numbers from the same document (attached) and then apply those percentages to those numbers, it's much lower. I also very much doubt any of the violent crimes within those figures were committed by feminists.
And of course, we all know that crimes motivated by someone's sex aren't recorded as hate crimes in law at all. Would you be willing to support sex being added to protected characteristics for the recording of hate crimes?

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6083207/

Being transgender has nothing to do with being " intersex" or rather having a medical condition which causes DSD.

When the IOC looked at it in 2015 they used a single study of 7 athletes which was carried out by a TW which concluded that since transitioning they couldn’t run as fast. The fact that they were all considerably older than when they were at their fastest was brushed aside

Also no one is denying TW the right ti play sport, only that they play within their biological sex category. If TW are unwelcome in mens sport that again is not women’s problem to solve

It is not a veto. It is a marriage exit clause which allows either party to obtain an annulment before a GRC is issued. It's particularly important for women who cannot utilise divorce for religious or cultural reasons.

More information can be found here:

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.transwidowsvoices.org/gra-reform-guidance" target="_blank">http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.transwidowsvoices.org/gra-reform-guidance And here:

https://uncommongroundmedia.com/spousal-exit-clause/

This is very useful, Tinsel. I hope the pp will find it easier to counter the TRA arguments they have read on Twitter.

Some people point to the hate crime stats but I think I’m right in saying that a recent foi found that none of the reported incidents (which include misgendering and offending a trans person) turned out to be an actual crime and bearing in mind that any form of physical violence towards a person is a crime, what does that say about the ‘rising hate crime against trans people’?

Do you have a link to this or is it just another gender critical fabrication?

i'm sure you're familiar with the annual Hate Crime Statistics report which shows quite clear that hate Crimes targetting trans people are just as likely to involve violence, including violence resulting in injury as the other protected strands.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/925968/hate-crime-1920-hosb2920.pdf

More information can be found here:

www.transwidowsvoices.org/gra-reform-guidance

And here:

uncommongroundmedia.com/spousal-exit-clause/

Their sex is self determined. It's not necessary to use the word female in relation to them in any way.

I hope newcomers are finding this useful. I am trying to find all the arguments I see on Twitter and elsewhere. Lots of them got me thinking when I first started taking notice. Lots of "surely that can't be right?" and "Surely I am missing something?"

I'll have another Twitter trawl later to try and remember more of the questions I had at the start. For now, back to my manly job I do despite being a woman, in men's clothing too (literally DH old hoodie).

Intersex gets introduced in order to prove that sex is not a binary (even tho it is) Obviously it's still not a logical conclusion to think that you can swap from one binary to the other.

But the ideology is not characterised by its logic.

Is it true that a married person can stop their partner from being legally trans? The spousal veto? Why on earth would that be OK? Why would there even be such a law in the first place? Why would feminists object to removing that law? Doesn't that just show up that you don't want people to be allowed to be trans?

No. Straw man. Loaded question.

Is it true that a married person can stop their partner from being legally trans? The spousal veto? Why on earth would that be OK? Why would there even be such a law in the first place? Why would feminists object to removing that law? Doesn't that just show up that you don't want people to be allowed to be trans?

I am trying to work out what the new word is.

As I said, many trans activists don't think there should be one as it isn't a meaningful category, because there are "exceptions".

They want "people" to be grouped by biological functions for health reasons: menstruators, menopausal people, uterus havers, birthing bodies, people with a cervix. They want to completely detach the words "woman" and "female" from female bodies, as then it's easier to push the trans political agenda that males can be women and there isn't any need for sex based rights, because sex isn't definable.

Is it wrong to use a trans person's old name when talking about a time when they used the old name?

Like Ellen Page did that but now Elliot Page did this. Except all the stuff done as Ellen has been relabelled online as Elliot.

Why is it different to other renamings like Cassius Clay vs Muhammad Ali or Amal Clooney vs Amal Alamuddin or Elton John vs Reginald Dwight?

It seems to be treated as more offensive to use the pre-change name when the person is trans. Am I imagining that? Is it different?

Am I wrong to see it as the same as, say, calling a woman I know by her maiden name mistakenly when she has changed to use her married name? We don't go and change every historical reference to ourselves when we change name for any other reason do we?

Prior to that the requirement was full 'reassignment surgery' which, when combined with hormone treatment etc may not make a particularly healthy body for competing at Olympic level. I am not aware how many trans athletes competed under those rules.

The issue is that the new testosterone suppression rules of 10nm/l a)are still way higher than the normal female level of between 1-3nm/l and do absolutely nothing to counteract the advantages given by having a male body with fast twitch musle fibres, longer, denser bones etc.

And if you allow one group of male people to enter a certain category you are actually at risk of sex discrimination against other males. Why should one group of male people be treated any differently to any other group of male people?

Should we allow short men or skinny men to compete in the female category as well?

Please read the many examples given upthread of why this is not acceptable.

Thread about 'transwomen' in women's sport.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3725560-A-picture-speaks-a-thousand-words-Transwomen-in-women-s-sport

Research paper by Emma Hilton and Tommy Lundberg:
Transgender Women in the Female Category of Sport: Perspectives on Testosterone Suppression and Performance Advantage

What sporting category does a transman compete in? Does taking male hormones bring him up to male levels of strength and power eventually after a few years? Are we seeing any transmen compete successfully against natal men yet? I am a bit worried about doping rules? How do sporting authorities get around those rules for transmen?

For transwomen I get that they take performance reducers not enhancers so I can see how that can be excluded from anti-doping.

For transmen though their hormones should definitely be performance enhancing so how are the anti-doping rules set to stop them smashing the men in competition? Have there been any test cases yet? Any transmen storming ahead of the natal men?

I suppose boxing or MMA would be the the most likely seeing as they have weight categories so the transman's shorter height (assuming the hormones don't change height) shouldn't be a problem. I haven't heard of any though. Maybe it is a secret they are trans?

Re sports, the most comprehensive bit of research seems to be that carried out by World Rugby last year. They concluded that male bodied people shouldn't play in women's teams.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3972640-rugby-reject-koolaid-listen-to-science

www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/jul/19/transwomen-face-potential-womens-rugby-ban-over-safety-concerns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

If so, why is there any fuss about letting transwomen compete against women? Surely it would be like letting a kid join the adults race, they'd not cause any real bother to the elites but it keeps them happy and engaged in sport.

You've got this the wrong way round. It would be more like allowing adults into children's or youth teams.

Why can't 'transwomen' compete in teams with other male bodied people? If they have deliberately weakened their bodies they may be less competitive, but that was their choice, and they can still be engaged in sport without potentially harming women or taking their places on teams or winning their medals.

Sports again. Twitter tells me that we know transwomen are not going to dominate women's sport because transwomen have been allowed to take part in women's competitions for years and none have ever won an Olympic medal in a women's category. Is that true?

If so, why is there any fuss about letting transwomen compete against women? Surely it would be like letting a kid join the adults race, they'd not cause any real bother to the elites but it keeps them happy and engaged in sport. Right?

I get shown pictures of butch looking transmen posing with tops off by people saying do you really want to force these people to use the ladies changing and toilets?

Heavily photoshopped and no indication of height. Even our favourite ACLU lawyer indulges in taking such photos.