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Article by Sonia Sodha in the Observer today

40 replies

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 14/02/2021 09:48

Just to say I really enjoyed reading this piece this morning, particularly this final para:
"Be wary of the white, straight men who call out lesbians and women of colour as bigots because they refuse to comply with the version of liberation they deem appropriate, and who pat themselves on the back for being an “ally” for doing so. Their naivety gives them the luxury of childishly dividing the world into goodies and baddies. The rest of us live with the consequences."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/14/race-gender-oppressed-can-be-oppressors-too-kemi-badenoch?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

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xxyzz · 14/02/2021 12:48

I particularly liked this line:

"Bailey is a black, working-class lesbian and a survivor of child sex abuse who believes, as many women do, that there should be some exceptions to males being admitted to female-only spaces."

Note: she says it like it is, males, not transwomen, or trans women.

xxyzz · 14/02/2021 12:46

Sonia has always been good on this. She's also been good on anti-Semitism in Corbyn's Labour. She's an intelligent woman who 'gets' how so-called woke populism provides just another voice for white men to attack minorities and oppressed groups.

ValancyRedfern · 14/02/2021 12:34

Great article.

Mollyollydolly · 14/02/2021 11:56

Great article.
"Be wary of the white, straight men who call out lesbians and women of colour as bigots because they refuse to comply with the version of liberation they deem appropriate, and who pat themselves on the back for being an “ally” for doing so."
Some of the aforementioned already spluttering on Twatter.

Xanthangum · 14/02/2021 11:24

Where the Guardian never treads, but the Observer often does. I predict a schism soon....

lanadelgrey · 14/02/2021 11:03

Strongly suggests there are GC voices but as in other places, they are fighting an uphill battle. She’s written about Tavistock previously

Cabinfever10 · 14/02/2021 10:50

Wow I can't believe that the 1st news article (I've seen) that talks about Alison Baileys case is not only in the guardian but they haven't twisted it to be pro trans 😲

boatyardblues · 14/02/2021 10:49

Good article.

BraveBananaBadge · 14/02/2021 10:45

Oh, that is good. Well done Sonia. Doesn't seem to be open to comments on the app at least - to be expected, and as ever a marked difference to The Times and DM at least. Wonder how it's going down in the Twitterverse.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 14/02/2021 10:33

@vermeil "juicy" Grin. Presumably going a shade of orange in rage.

persistentwoman · 14/02/2021 10:30

That's a good read. Interesting to see that it is the Observer that's the first to publish the details of the forthcoming Stonewall case. Excellent move - the more sunlight the better.

aliasundercover · 14/02/2021 10:25

Sodha is one of the few, rapidly decreasing, reasons to buy the Observer.

Joisanofthedales · 14/02/2021 10:20

Very interesting

Abhannmor · 14/02/2021 10:15

Pleasantly surprised by this article. I thought it was restrained in tone and yet uncompromising. Brava.

Vermeil · 14/02/2021 09:54

Just read it and found in heartening, though I can see Juicy’s neck veins popping from here.
Have we finally reached the point where all the terrible behaviour has become too much to ignore?