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Solidarity in Aldi today!

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JaneyHenderson · 13/02/2021 18:08

This is my first thread in a very long time but I wanted to share the uplifting and fabulous experience I had today in Aldi😂

I reached 'peak' during the last lockdown and lurk regularly on here while trying to make sense of the madness.
DH is supportive to a degree but very nervous of me being vocal about my GC views as we are both teachers. I am a middle leader in a secondary school and he worries about me getting sackedConfused
So I can't discuss this much IRL.

Anyway, queing outside Aldi today and saw a woman a few people ahead of me with a 'Woman
Noun
adult human female' tote bag. I was thrilled and as soon as there was an opportunity (by the fruit and vegWink) I told her I liked her bag and that I knew what it meant.
She said I had made her day; I replied I she had made mine. Then she said 'Solidarity sister and see you on the next march'
We went on our separate ways but bloody hell it was brilliant. To vocalise it and be recognised. Felt a bit emotional and even now re-writing it, am a bit teary.

Just wanted to share. It was wonderful.

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FuriousWithTheNHS · 14/02/2021 10:24

I love the THOUGHT CRIMINAL t-shirt.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 14/02/2021 10:21

God I luffs you lot ❤️

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 14/02/2021 10:20

@FamilyOfAliens

I’ve posted many times before about a conference I went to, where in a workshop in gender, I was subjected to a complete pile-on because I gave my definitions of sex and gender (when asked) and didn’t give the “correct” ones.

It was nerve-wracking and my heart was banging afterwards but I was so pleased to have stood up for what I believe in in a room full of TWAT aficionados.

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HubertHerbert · 14/02/2021 10:20

I hate feeling like this, it makes me do cross at myself when so many of you are proper warriors.

I find this so hard. Shame for being afraid to contribute to the resistance for fear of the shame of being labelled a hateful bigot. Shame whatever I do or don't do.

highame · 14/02/2021 10:19

tellme it's good enough that you're on here. Not everyone can take big risks. I am too old to care and risk taking was always part of my life, so it isn't a big deal for me and lots of others. You support, you are valuable Flowers

FamilyOfAliens · 14/02/2021 10:18

I’ve posted many times before about a conference I went to, where in a workshop in gender, I was subjected to a complete pile-on because I gave my definitions of sex and gender (when asked) and didn’t give the “correct” ones.

It was nerve-wracking and my heart was banging afterwards but I was so pleased to have stood up for what I believe in in a room full of TWAT aficionados.

JaneyHenderson · 14/02/2021 10:18

@MoleSmokes
Thanks for the link to www.standingforwomen.com and the reminder to purchase from there and not redbubble/Amazon or similar.

I have signed up for monthly membership and bought stickers and postcards.
Bags out of stock as are many other amazing items. Will keep a lookout for them.
The ‘mother - female parent’ items are brilliant too. Also sold out!
Still not quite brave enough for a t shirt outside of the house but have purchased a men’s size to lounge/sleep in.

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tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 14/02/2021 10:13

@EmpressWitchDoesntBurn

A friend who used to live in Hackney went into a cafe in her AHF T-shirt & a couple of women said “We find your T-shirt offensive.”

She wasn’t sure what to say so she just said “Thank you” & that was apparently that Grin

I realise I'm sounding a bit pathetic but this is what worries me. I get flustered and embarrassed easily and would struggle to not leg it out the cafe. Then onlookers would assume by my lack of response that the slogan was not a good one and I'd do the cause more harm than good Confused

I hate feeling like this, it makes me do cross at myself when so many of you are proper warriors.

Winesalot · 14/02/2021 10:11

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

Because of course, that poster never does. And will tell us they have posted all their discussion points in the past under different names.

Their intentions now seems to fall into the pattern of to chide, sneer and shame women discussing the impacts of the rights of other groups on our rights. from the side line. They seem to never post links or resources or engage in any meaningful way.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 14/02/2021 10:11

What I’d really like is a Sandy Draws Badly T-shirt but I don’t think they exist.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 14/02/2021 10:04

@Winesalot

I am quite sure that only people who genuinely ❤️ Joanne Rowling will have a tote or a shirt that states that.

It is like wearing a AC/DC tshirt and having people come up and discuss their favourite songs. Of course people ‘get’ you.

There are different reasons to love Joanne Rowling and each to their own. I doubt everyone has the same reason but why would you wear a shirt like that if you did not.

Only people set on shaming women for discussing the impact of other groups rights uses terms like dog whistle. If you feel there is no conflict in rights, please discuss this rather than seeking to shame others. There are plenty here who are interested in learning more so open discussion is great.

Spot on Winesalot

There are many posters new to the debate on this thread > waves Grin < so rather than sneering at those of us pushing back where we can why not engage and debate the reasons why?

Unless you've just got a problem with women not getting in their box?

InsideNumberNine · 14/02/2021 10:03

My GC colleague recently left and we both bought each other a little gift. I got her an AHF badge and she got me a Magdalen Berns t shirt (which I darent wear outside). With my order, I got a load of stickers so have been stealthily plastering them on lampposts. I smile every time I pick my DS up from nursery and see the one I did outside!

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 14/02/2021 09:50

@12frogsincoats

Sounds very Hitler youthy
Only if you're a bloody idiot
TartanLassie · 14/02/2021 09:48

I am crying reading this.

I am going to buy a bag, even though I'm very very scared.

If you see me, please smile and thumbs up!!

MoodyMarshall · 14/02/2021 09:34

@highame No, not out of sync at all, we're sharing stories of GC conversations with strangers on this thread Smile

Interesting point about Waitrose, I see Waitrose as full of people my age (40 next month Hmm) with a bit of cash to spare due to their age/job. I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see a few GC women filling their plastic cereal tubs Grin

Winesalot · 14/02/2021 09:33

It does not erase male socialization. We see this with some posters on these threads. That male perspective just doesn’t seem to disappear.

Clarifying MNHQ.
That male perspective just doesn’t seem to disappear with ‘SOME of these male posters.

Of course, there are male posters here who identify as women who understand women’s oppression and they support women.

highame · 14/02/2021 09:29

Whoops, thought thread was only on page 1, so posted without have RTFT. Sorry if this is really out of sync

Winesalot · 14/02/2021 09:29

What is somebody then asks - what if a man has had a medical sex change. What are they?

You can turn the question back to them and ask how they have changed sex? Sex is coded at cellular level and it is not possible. It is possible to cosmetically change parts of the body and to enact minor changes through hormones.

It does not erase male socialization. We see this with some posters on these threads. That male perspective just doesn’t seem to disappear.

It does not change the need women have for protections due to their biology which no male has or needs. So, why do they believe making these changes should allow them to access women’s rights?

highame · 14/02/2021 09:28

I bought some stickers ages ago and put one on a small backpack. Had three women ask me about it and all were very interested and knowledgeable about the subject. That was a few months ago and in Waitrose which seems very woke. Well done Op. Star

ErrolTheDragon · 14/02/2021 09:27

What is somebody then asks - what if a man has had a medical sex change. What are they?

They're transwomen. There's no such thing as a 'sex change' - that is an old fashioned term for an impossibility. It's generally called gender confirmation nowadays. These men have changed to a 'feminine' gender, and most won't want to be called men, but they are still male.

JaneyHenderson · 14/02/2021 09:27

@EmpressWitchDoesntBurn
Brilliant response by your friend. I would have been tempted to channel Stephen Fry there!
And I would love a ‘Wrong side of history’ t shirt. And not just because I love the Royle Family 😀

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Winesalot · 14/02/2021 09:24

What is somebody then asks - what if a man has had a medical sex change. What are they?

They are a male who has had some surgery.

delightfuldaisy19 · 14/02/2021 09:22

Agree with everyone - but haven't read enough to be secure in how I answer people IRL

I have a question.

So if I say that I am an adult human female and that is my sex.

What is somebody then asks - what if a man has had a medical sex change. What are they?

toomuchlikemyusername · 14/02/2021 09:21

3 foldable shopping bags just ordered by this school worker.

Winesalot · 14/02/2021 09:20

She'll explain it to dogs, whistlers and serial name changers. She's a bloody marvel.

GrinGrinGrin

Particularly those who whistle for dogs with nothing to offer of substance. It is like they read about dog whistling, but don’t know how to handle what results. Just delivers the ‘bad dog’ lecture while knowing that they themselves are conflicted on some issues and can hear that whistle clearly themselves, they just developed earmuffs telling them they are ‘righteous’ to filter it out.

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