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Solidarity in Aldi today!

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JaneyHenderson · 13/02/2021 18:08

This is my first thread in a very long time but I wanted to share the uplifting and fabulous experience I had today in Aldi😂

I reached 'peak' during the last lockdown and lurk regularly on here while trying to make sense of the madness.
DH is supportive to a degree but very nervous of me being vocal about my GC views as we are both teachers. I am a middle leader in a secondary school and he worries about me getting sackedConfused
So I can't discuss this much IRL.

Anyway, queing outside Aldi today and saw a woman a few people ahead of me with a 'Woman
Noun
adult human female' tote bag. I was thrilled and as soon as there was an opportunity (by the fruit and vegWink) I told her I liked her bag and that I knew what it meant.
She said I had made her day; I replied I she had made mine. Then she said 'Solidarity sister and see you on the next march'
We went on our separate ways but bloody hell it was brilliant. To vocalise it and be recognised. Felt a bit emotional and even now re-writing it, am a bit teary.

Just wanted to share. It was wonderful.

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Thislittlefinger123 · 13/02/2021 21:07

Amazing Grin I'd have done exactly the same

Igneococcus · 13/02/2021 21:04

When I was out for a cycle ride last summer, I was stopped by a woman with a clipboard and asked if I would do a survey about the cycle path. One question was what my gender was, so I said that my sex was female and that I think gender is bollocks, and she said she agreed and we had a good long chat about it. I mentioned mumsnet and I hope she did come and check it out.

AnyOldPrion · 13/02/2021 21:04

Sounds very Hitler youthy

Middle aged women chatting about tote bags with the dictionary definition of woman on?

Or is it the having to hide our beliefs and moral values as we fight in secret against our rights being taken away that makes you think that?

talesofginza · 13/02/2021 21:03

Thank you for sharing this story, it is very uplifting! I'm going to look into ordering a tote as well :)

picklemewalnuts · 13/02/2021 21:00

Lovely to read this thread. It's remarkable that such an obvious statement of fact is considered 'cult like'. I'm fortunate that pretty much everyone in my life is GC. There's a friend who's all 'be kind', autistic, trauma background, has decided she's non binary. I know a young man who has happily transitioned- again, autistic and trauma background. I know a 16 year old who has socially transitioned and is gagging for more permanent treatment. Again, trauma background, grew up in care. They agree that physical transition shouldn't be rushed, but in their own case, being 16, they are sure of their decision- they've known for 'ages'. So hard, from the perspective of someone over 50, to accept they know their own mind enough to make irreversible physical changes.

SophocIestheFox · 13/02/2021 21:00

I suppose some people do have quite a visceral reaction to Aldi 🤣

Cheap groceries, fascism, much the same really. Easy mistake to make.

LaVitaPuoEsserePiuBella · 13/02/2021 21:00

I love this Aldi story. I'm going to look at the website right now for one of those bags. Thank you 😊

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 13/02/2021 20:59

@Carouselfish

Secondary teacher too.

In the staff room all my department are eye rollingly gc.

We taught a whole scheme on stereotyping, stereotypical gender roles etc with outcome that y7 are now very 'you can be a boy or girl without conforming'. Hooray!
Also taught few lessons on media bias and how to know if websites and news was reliable. Teach critical thinking, looking at both sides of an argument and hope for the best!

This is really cheering me up. Strength and power to all the GC teachers and TAs out there!
Mrsmorton · 13/02/2021 20:58

@12frogsincoats I think you might need to do a bit more research my friend.

SophocIestheFox · 13/02/2021 20:58

@12frogsincoats

Sounds very Hitler youthy
Eh? Confused
12frogsincoats · 13/02/2021 20:53

Sounds very Hitler youthy

averylongtimeago · 13/02/2021 20:51

Lovely OP, step by step we can resist.

I have my ManFriday bag and a selection of stickers in my bag ready for use.

littlbrowndog · 13/02/2021 20:49

💪💪💪💪🥰

LizzieSiddal · 13/02/2021 20:45

Oh I love hearing stories like this. Gives me hope.

persistentwoman · 13/02/2021 20:29

@Highwind

Love this! It shows that we are out there, even if some of us can’t afford to be as openly visible as others.

There are so many of us. The tide will turn soon, I just know it.

Solidarity sisters. X

So much this!

The overreach and bullying is so extensive that women everywhere are seeing what is happening. It's impossible to ignore.

IsThePopeCatholic · 13/02/2021 20:29

Lovely anecdote. How perverse and sad that women have to hide the fact that they are GC. Safe spaces for women are vital.

AnyOldPrion · 13/02/2021 20:27

Mine too! Just watched Posie and Mr Harrop again. What a joy! Now I’m going to have a glass of wine and toast them both!

Horizons83 · 13/02/2021 20:23

Great OP, I'm glad you saw it and I'm glad you felt able to mention it to the owner!

By the way, I don't know if it has been mentioned elsewhere.. I was watching an interview with Jackie Weaver (I think it was on Sky) and the interviewer asked her if she felt that her gender had anything to do with the way she was treated... Jackie was very careful to use the word 'sex', not gender, in her response!

Greenmarmalade · 13/02/2021 20:22

I’m a middle leader teacher too and I’m so relieved I haven’t had to cover It in pshe type lessons so far. I would really push the tolerance and everyone having rights aspects, I think- and say that our rights don’t mean we can take away those of others.

Highwind · 13/02/2021 20:21

Love this! It shows that we are out there, even if some of us can’t afford to be as openly visible as others.

There are so many of us. The tide will turn soon, I just know it.

Solidarity sisters. X

Hatia · 13/02/2021 20:16

I was genuinely bewildered as to what the frig they were on about and said something ‘Well I am a woman obviously, are you saying I look like a man, I’m not a bloody he am I’

Grin
PamDenick · 13/02/2021 20:15

This thread is warming the cockles of my heart.

ErrolTheDragon · 13/02/2021 20:12

See Judith Butler, queer theory, etc

(Personally I'd rather eat ground glass)

ArabellaScott · 13/02/2021 20:09

That's a sound grounding, musicalfrog.

Personally, I think all feminism is 'gender critical' by default, as it's about investigating and challenging stereotypes and norms imposed on people because of their sex.

In the past few years, though, it's been coming up against what some people may call 'genderism', which posits that we choose our 'gender' and sex is 'a construct'.

GC feminists acknowledge the inescapable reality of biological sex (males and females), and challenge stereotypes. Gender theorists claim that we choose our 'gender' out of an almost infinite possible number of genders, and seem see sex as secondary to our 'gender expression' (how we dress, cut our hair, etc). (See Judith Butler, queer theory, etc).

I hope I'm not misrepresenting the latter view, it does seem so removed from reality I find it quite hard to formulate. And I'm not a scholar or very clued up on theories. Smile

musicalfrog · 13/02/2021 20:08

Thanks @ErrolTheDragon I'm completely on board then.

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