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Solidarity in Aldi today!

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JaneyHenderson · 13/02/2021 18:08

This is my first thread in a very long time but I wanted to share the uplifting and fabulous experience I had today in Aldi😂

I reached 'peak' during the last lockdown and lurk regularly on here while trying to make sense of the madness.
DH is supportive to a degree but very nervous of me being vocal about my GC views as we are both teachers. I am a middle leader in a secondary school and he worries about me getting sackedConfused
So I can't discuss this much IRL.

Anyway, queing outside Aldi today and saw a woman a few people ahead of me with a 'Woman
Noun
adult human female' tote bag. I was thrilled and as soon as there was an opportunity (by the fruit and vegWink) I told her I liked her bag and that I knew what it meant.
She said I had made her day; I replied I she had made mine. Then she said 'Solidarity sister and see you on the next march'
We went on our separate ways but bloody hell it was brilliant. To vocalise it and be recognised. Felt a bit emotional and even now re-writing it, am a bit teary.

Just wanted to share. It was wonderful.

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SophocIestheFox · 13/02/2021 23:06

@rogueantimatter

If I remember correctly forms did used to ask which sex. I'm in my fifties. I think 'Gender'is quite a recent term.
They did, and some wag would always write “yes, please” next to the sex box Grin
MrsWombat · 13/02/2021 23:06

Try this link, but there are plenty of other available and Etsy is also a good place to purchase from a small business. www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08WLLNHPR/?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

ArabellaScott · 13/02/2021 23:06

@Diverseopinions

Arabella Scott

Do you think what you have posted is really a clear explanation of the issue, as, to me, it is still confusing for people, like me, not fully up to speed with the debate.

Gender isn't a recent made up word. It's been around for ages. It used to be thought to be like sex: male and female genders. So anyone not up to speed will be thinking: "Hold on, 'gender critical' means people are dubious about there being only two genders - male or female. GC must mean there are lots of identities and people can choose which to identify with or shape their own unique identity'.

Why not make it crystal clear for posters who are asking for clarification what all the current controversy is about.

Apologies, I tried!

It can be confusing, I think - partly because of that confusion between the word 'gender' and the word 'sex'. These words do have two different meanings.

'Gender is a word that is used to talk about how people express masculine (traits most people think of as male) or feminine (traits most people think of as female) traits. It is commonly used for a person's sex (male or female) but this word only means someone’s biology (body parts)' (simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender)

So - 'gender critical' is someone who questions stereotypes and cultural pressures.

Any better?

waterlego · 13/02/2021 23:05

@Winesalot. Oh gosh yes, Scott. They have shared some horrifying details from the medical issues suffered as a result of transition. I think Scott is really courageous to talk so openly about it all. Not only because they are ‘outing’ themselves as a GC tran, but also because it must be very hard to air one’s regrets so publicly. (I’m assuming Scott has regrets about their transition, or at least some aspects of it).

ScreamingBeans · 13/02/2021 23:05

Watched that Kellie Jay and Adrian Haddock video again, breath of fresh air.

rogueantimatter · 13/02/2021 23:04

If I remember correctly forms did used to ask which sex. I'm in my fifties. I think 'Gender'is quite a recent term.

MrsWombat · 13/02/2021 23:01

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Gcnq · 13/02/2021 23:00

Yup, also married to a GC male who funnily enough has never received a rape or death threat for his opinion, neither has he been banned for stating his opinion on social media. I on the other hand.... .....

Ginfizplease · 13/02/2021 23:00

I'm a GC secondary teacher too!

MrsWombat · 13/02/2021 23:00

I’ve seen these on Amazon too. Fab stuff, and I’m glad the OP connected with a real person on this. Tempted to get one myself. Smile amazon.co.uk/dp/B08WLLNHPR/]]

Winesalot · 13/02/2021 22:59

Scott is a transman.

Winesalot · 13/02/2021 22:58

And Scott Newgent They just started a campaign for balance in media. And honest reporting. in line with the Swedish government I guess.

My heart breaks when I read Scott’s story, yet they are fighting for better care. Very courageous.

www.newsweek.com/we-need-balance-when-it-comes-gender-dysphoric-kids-i-would-know-opinion-1567277

SirSamuelVimes · 13/02/2021 22:57

Yep also married to a GC man, also have GC male friends.

SophocIestheFox · 13/02/2021 22:56

I am also married to a GC man. He believes in fair play like it’s a religion and can’t fathom how anyone can look themselves in the eye and advocate for male bodies in women’s sports.

MsInterpret · 13/02/2021 22:54

@Caaarrrl

Thanks for the link to those posters. Have just emailed to my work address for some post-half term printing.

waterlego · 13/02/2021 22:51

Buck Angel is an example of a GC transman.

waterlego · 13/02/2021 22:50

@Tubs11 There are GC males, yes! Some of the more vocal ones are gay men who grew up being called ‘girly’ or being made to feel they weren’t ‘proper’ men. They, like we, feel that being male or female is a biological fact and has nothing to do with what your interests/skills/clothing choices/mannerisms/behaviours might be.

But some of them are straight men (like my husband) who is GC, largely thanks to listening to my rants and musings over the past few years.

Winesalot · 13/02/2021 22:50

@Tubs11

Interesting thread.... Is there such a thing as GC males and how do women who transition to male feel about this?
There are GC males. There are also GC transmen and transwomen.
Hatia · 13/02/2021 22:49

Interesting thread.... Is there such a thing as GC males and how do women who transition to male feel about this?

Bit of a mixed up question. But yes there are GC males.

Women who identify as male are not a hive mind though. Many differing opinions.

Gcnq · 13/02/2021 22:48

I'm dying to get the yellow running top, but I have never spoken to ANYONE about this so I literally have no idea if wearing it will result in a negative like they'll spit in my face reaction, or a good reaction.
No idea!

But keep it going bag wearers. I'd love to see you out there!

Datun · 13/02/2021 22:47

I do wonder how this is all going explode when lockdown ends.

Caaarrrl · 13/02/2021 22:46

I'm a primary teacher and we have these posters displayed around our school.

elisegravel.com/en/blog/girls-can-be/

elisegravel.com/en/blog/boys-can-be/

VivaDixie · 13/02/2021 22:45

Nice one OP - i am going to buy a sweatshirt and wear it proud Flowers

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 13/02/2021 22:45

Standing for Women’s hoodies are very cosy, and have a convenient pocket for stickers.

There’s no feeling like coming across a sticker that you weren’t responsible for!

NotFabulousDarling · 13/02/2021 22:44

This brought tears to my eyes OP.

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