Solidarity in Aldi today!

Thanks for this thread. I’ve had some cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile my opinions on issues discussed here, and this has helped crystallise my thoughts.

It seems that I am indeed GC. I truly believe that everyone should have the same opportunities in life, and matters like who you love and marry, your education and career choices, what you wear, your hobbies and interests should not be dictated by your genitals or genetics. We should be fighting to have a society where everyone should be treated with dignity and respect, and no one should be judged for conforming or not conforming to gender stereotyping, which is all patriarchal bollocks anyway.

What I could never reconcile is the opinions of men transitioning to women proclaiming their issues to be women’s issues the same as mine. They have their own issues which need addressing so they don’t face discrimination and harassment and get the same dignity and respect everyone is entitled to. But they are not the same issues I have faced as a woman throughout my life when I have been harassed or discriminated against.

I think it also explains my feelings around Eddie Izzard’s decision that they are now transgender and to identify as a woman. I love Eddie, have always admired the attitude of “I am a man, but I want to wear women’s clothes and makeup. So what”, plus being very funny. I felt a bit let down when Eddie decided to transition, and couldn’t work out why as it wasn’t my body or my business. I’m getting an inkling now of why it bothered me. It seemed like Eddie was GC, but not any more.

I’ve always avoided this topic as it seemed too hard to work out where I stood, but I’m now motivated to go and read the Break It Down for me thread. Thanks.

Also, whoever asked if Aldi has an aisle of crap, they do indeed.

It’s called the wtf aisle

@FamilyOfAliens fair one. I need to raise my sights.

I did Guerilla stickering at work but it got removed... plus I'm one of 4 women in an organisation of about 60 so I worry I'll be outed if I go again.

Why cringe? Do share.

No, please don’t. Anyone who thinks putting a hashtag in front of a single word is a mature way to contribute to an online discussion needs to try much, much harder.

I haven't seen one of these in the wild! But then no-one's going out much at the moment...!

Smallgoon

Why cringe? Do share.

There is a framing shop near where I used to love that has the saying in a frame in his front window display. It used to make me smile every time I walked by.

@Smallgoon go on... tell us why #cringe.

Tell us why pretending shit so men like you is less #cringe than protecting the rights our grandmothers died for.

Go on

[quote waterlego]@Winesalot Poor Scott. I get the impression from their Tweets that they care very deeply about gender questioning youngsters.

@DonaldsTrousers, I think you’re in a town very near to mine. One of my friends works for the NHS in your town. She is GC but has to keep that pretty quiet at work 😐[/quote]
Our area is a hotbed for both TWAW and for GC voices. Hence the big fuss when WPUK held an event during the Labour Party Conference. The memories of that night stayed with me a while.

Through my kids, I know of lots more trans kids (majority girls) than would be statistically likely. Definitely elements of social contagion, 'coolness' at being trans and edgy, lots of autism/traits. Yet the school seems unbothered. I hear nothing from them about it, while more and more kids are being positively affirmed and socially transitioned at school.

The LA are under the spell of Allsorts who have significant power locally (they used to do fantastic work with LGB youngsters), and no one at the school appears to feel able to stick their hand up and say 'can we look at this please?'. I get the fear, but to me this is safeguarding first and foremost.

Sorry for the derail!

[quote Awning10]This is worth a watch if you are new here:

#cringe

@chestnutSquash

I am the slowest typist on MN. But, great minds...

I reckon we should post it every couple of pages. It takes me forever to find in search.

@Winesalot Poor Scott. I get the impression from their Tweets that they care very deeply about gender questioning youngsters.

@DonaldsTrousers, I think you’re in a town very near to mine. One of my friends works for the NHS in your town. She is GC but has to keep that pretty quiet at work 😐

I am the slowest typist on MN.
But, great minds...

The original Adult Human Female products are at Standing for Women - all others are copying Kellie-Jay (aka Posie Parker). Please do buy from there if you can.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

waterlego

Scott is open and honest about their regret for surgery. And their continued dysphoria. They are warning anyone who will listen that it is fraught with high risk. Not to just listen to the doctors.

There is a wonderful thread in Feminism chat called " Break it down for me".
Anyone looking to understand could start there.
I can't do links on my phone but maybe someone could.

Yes, originally 'gender' as a word did come from grammar. The wiki link above gives a brief history - in 1955 John Money started to use it to refer to culturally created sex stereotypes.

@ArabellaScott I think that’s a good explanation. I often think about gender in terms of ‘masculine’ and ‘feminine’ (as they are in grammar). Obviously I realise that those words are derived from ‘male’ and ‘female’ respectively, but as they are adjectives they can be used to describe anything if the description fits. So ‘feminine’ describes behaviours/traits that were traditionally expected of/associated with women. But this being the 21st century, women are under no obligation to try to be feminine, and men are free to be feminine. This is what we GC want. That’s how I see it.

They did, and some wag would always write “yes, please” next to the sex box

Now we've got electronic forms instead of paper and ink, that harmless idiocy is no longer a reason for using a euphemism instead of 'sex'.

As a parent who has children at the school named in the Times as having the most trans kids in England (or some such statement), it is lovely to hear so many school staff on here saying they are GC.

My kids' school are very affirming of kids who say they are trans. It worries me hugely. I wrote to the Governors who were happy to dismiss my concerns. It needs more of us to stand out and speak out. However I understand the fear in doing to - I live in the most TWAW place in England, and like many others on here, my teens are horrified by what they see as my bigoted views. I still talk to them about it though.

More visibility (where we can). More activism too. Solidarity to you all!