Double Standards re Female Oppression.

I was reading on the BBC earlier about a woman in South Africa who was a football star. She was an out lesbian.

She was brutally raped and murdered because of that.

That's oppression right there. I mean it's all the time all over the place.

I find it upsetting when people say oh women it's all sorted etc. It's never been sorted for us and we're always at the back of the queue.

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Anyway, the post was something like "It makes me so mad when cis people claim to be oppressed. They don't know the first thing about what our trans and non-binary brothers and sisters go through" Then, a few posts down from that "no cis person is a victim of discrimination or oppression. FACT".'

Thanks for the context.
Initially I thought she was talking about how 'cis' people (how can you even tell who identifies as what if you can't see it) did not experience transpobia.
But on re-reading I think she's just warmed to get theme and got carried away.

The coddled thing is interesting.
There needs to be a balance between 'the school of hard knocks' and living in a protective bubble.

I'm not sure about all that anyway. Loads of grown ups are regurgitating this stuff. Slagging off young people is a cop out I think. Young people still are a massive range of backgrounds, experiences, all sorts of stuff. I think it's easy to sneer but young people/ teens were always peer led and quick to take offence!

What I do think is that the explosion of social media has exposed that an awful lot of people don't necessarily thing things through and also there's easy access to persuade people/ manipulate them.

People haven't changed but what and who is influencing them has and that's what we're seeing.

Is she a teen daughter?

Could try introducing her to the madness of the episteem? it might plant a seed that perhaps, just perhaps she has been fed this shit, and it isn't just about being kind and oppression of trans people, that queer theory is an actual movement with an agenda that she is sleepwalking into.

It's all rubbish. You can't identify in or out of oppression or discrimination.

Women suffer oppression and discrimination because they are perceived to be female, regardless of their gender identity.

People who are gender non conforming suffer discrimination regardless of whether they identify as cis/trans/non-binary or think gender is a load of nonsense.

The idea that anyone checks your identity before deciding to oppress, rather misunderstands the concept of oppression.

However, maybe if somebody actively identifies as cis they are more likely to be privileged?

I think your friend's point ( do you call friends blue-haired, woke individual ) is that cis people are not attacked / discriminated against in society for being cis.

That's not what she said. ""no cis person is a victim of discrimination or oppression. FACT" is not the same thing, remotely as 'no person is a victim of discrimination or oppression because they are Cis"

And in any case, as it turns out, neither is true. Women and girls, those who some choose to misidentify as 'Cis', are nowadays routinely being discriminated against when their rights as women conflict with what some trans people want.

Disgusted, she didn't say 'c*s people don't experience transphobia'- I mean, that would be self evident.

She said 'c*s people do not experience oppression' which is ridiculous and indeed she doesn't believe it herself.
Women clearly do experience genuine, serious, inarguable oppression. Real actual oppression and violence, as opposed to 'literal violence' which is anything but.

DisgustedofManchester, use of “cis” is not permitted as it is an offensive term, one of many not permitted here.

I've come to the conclusion that they are actually just thick as shit.

We are the frogs and the pot of water is the 'just be kind' mantra.

Other ingredients were slowly added, like TWAW, acceptance without exception, Trans rights are human rights, then as the heat gets near boiling point and people have become so immersed in it, they feel they can't get out, the shouting becomes more aggressive. No debate! Your words are literal violence! Cancellation and threats and shouts of terf and transphobe await anyone who manages to get out of the pot or never got in in the first place. It's all so gradual though. Stealth. Trojan horses. Right under our noses.

Tbh, I’ve reached the point of just sitting back and watching. It’s all going to crash and burn horribly at some future point.

I'm very disappointed about Joss wheedon. I enjoyed most of his shows, and felt they were very aware of women- lots of feminist storylines, imo. So disappointing that he's yet another jerk.

If you look at the current news reports on how Charisma Carpenter was treated by Joss Whedon when she was pregnant, it becomes obvious why somebody like Emma Watson might like to pretend that sex is a spectrum, 'woman' is just a frame of mind etc. etc.

Justhadathought, I think that 'customers' point is key to a lot of what is happening. With student loans and everything students are a goldmine, expensive student housing springing up all over city centres and a big night-time economy based around their new spending power. It seems to have really shifted the dynamic and made adults stop 'adulting', universities seem scared to challenge the students' beliefs and demands in case they take their money away.

There is an enlightening Twitter post shared by Gardenbird48 on the AIBU about midwives told to stop using terms such as breastfeeding at 10:58 this morning.

It explains how people can be pushed little by little to illogical or extreme views.

Is she just stupid?

I thought that was the reason for the blue hair - a thoughtful consideration on their part so that the rest of us can avoid them.

Same narrative as those who push white women as the oppressors.

read a book last year called ' The Coddling of the American Mind' ( How good intentions & bad ideas are setting up a generation for failure)

I've read the long form article in The Atlantic magazine. Very good.

I thought about this kind of thing a while ago. I concluded that a lot of young women are absolutely stupid, and willing to have their identity erased without any consideration of what this might mean for female-born in the future. I also reflected that as I'm in my sixties, I'll die soon (I've read 'woke' people crowing that their opponents are not long for this world) and so I might just as well keep quiet and wait to die. That's my plan.

Such psychological fragility.......

I read a book last year called ' The Coddling of the American Mind' ( How good intentions & bad ideas are setting up a generation for failure)

"......The authors, Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt, argue that many of these students lack the emotional armoury to handle free enquiry and are genuinely being ‘triggered’. The culture of safe spaces and no-platforming is a response to a generation that has been driven towards mental illness by over-protection"

"Lukianoff and Haidt put it less bluntly than this but mental illness is what it amounts to. The peculiar combination of extreme hyper-sensitivity and aggression exhibited in some of the notorious campus videos suggests that we are dealing with people who are not entirely well. Lukianoff and Haidt argue that a large number of young people have been brought up in an over-protected environment, with too little unsupervised play as children and siloed in the echo chambers of social media as teenagers. At university, they see themselves less as students and more as customers, making demands of administrators who are all too willing to capitulate to their whims. Rules are designed to suit the most sensitive members of the community – or those who complain the loudest...."

Twit.

The 'protected characteristics' describe the types of discrimination which occur. That's why they all need explicit protection.

You don't have to have all of them, or any particular one to suffer discrimination. Intersectionality means that some people may suffer a double or triple or more dose of discrimination. It doesn't for one moment that you can deny that it happens to people who only have one factor against them, or don't have some particular characteristic which you deem more important.