Page 24 | Breastfeeding is now chestfeeding, Brighton’s trans-friendly midwives are told

Mulletsaremisunderstood · 2021-02-09T17:41:41+00:00

[[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/breastfeeding-is-now-chestfeeding-brightons-trans-friendly-midwives-are-told-pwlvmcnc7]] Hope this link works as I am a subscriber to the times and logged in. More nonsense being peddled as 'progressive' [angry]. When will the madness end!!?

MissBarbary · 09/02/2021 18:54

@AfternoonToffee

I have read some of the comments on the FB Times article. I could cry. Women are happily throwing others under a bus just to appease a tiny minority.

The Times btl comments overwhelmingly think this is nonsense.

WombOfOnesOwn · 09/02/2021 18:53

Men aren't so fragile that they're demanding male breast cancer be called "chest cancer" to appease their egos and keep them from killing themselves over how insulting it is to be reminded they have breasts.

I don't understand why trans men want to be treated different from any other men. When men have something happening with their breasts, their male breasts, they're called "breasts."

5zeds · 09/02/2021 18:52

I breastfed with my breasts which produced breast milk.

Men and women have breasts (as do robins and chickens and people who breast their way through the crowd or waves.

What is chest-milk?

Do people feel a bit breasty when they cough?

rawalpindithelabrador · 09/02/2021 18:52

@MichelleofzeResistance

Isn't it interesting how showing proper respect for inclusive language means explicitly and overtly excluding females?

There is a line between transphobia and gynephobia. We need to start holding institutions like this accountable for a) realising that line even exists, and b) keeping that line.

Yep! What about our fucking pronouns? Oh, that's right, you don't get to have them anymore, she, her, woman, erased. Because your very biology and genome and the organs your genetic humanity has created are offensive to some men and they and their feelings come first.

MichelleofzeResistance · 09/02/2021 18:48

*Crosspost with Covid - that's holding the line. Both words, all mentioned, that's fine.

MichelleofzeResistance · 09/02/2021 18:47

Isn't it interesting how showing proper respect for inclusive language means explicitly and overtly excluding females?

There is a line between transphobia and gynephobia. We need to start holding institutions like this accountable for a) realising that line even exists, and b) keeping that line.

rawalpindithelabrador · 09/02/2021 18:46

Like Milkno, my neurodiv son is confused AF about this type of ridiculous forced thoughtpolice speak. And can you imagine if English isn't your first language? But who cares about disabled people and immigrants, MEN are all that matters.

Saw one leaflet that referred to mothers are 'birthing bodies'. Fuck off.

Covidcorvid · 09/02/2021 18:44

The news story has hit the daily mail now and from reading that they say it’s an extra word. So the term will now be breast or chest feeding. They will talk about woman or birthing person depending on the individual. They will add alternative phrases to their policies, etc. But they won’t remove original terms. Which seems a lot better.

Thisistherhythmofthenight · 09/02/2021 18:41

They may identify as a man and thats fine but biologically they are female hence why they can carry and birth a child. Get a bit tired of the whole men menstruate too stuff. No, no you fucking don't.

Moirarose2021 · 09/02/2021 18:37

It's nonscence, if you are that triggered my female words/pronouns, how can you cope getting pregnant, pregnancy and birth?

merrymouse · 09/02/2021 18:37

It’s just another way of telling women that there is something wrong with them because they have breasts.

Given that breast and chest are often used interchangeably, the only possible reasoning can be that there is something distasteful about using a word that has more recently been more associated with women’s bodies.

Of course the NHS should be sensitive to people who suffer from dysphoria, but that shouldn’t mean normalising it for everyone else.

PerpetuallyUnderwhelmed · 09/02/2021 18:36

Of course it is hypocritical but you're not allowed to say that. Or you are too stupid to understand the vagaries of gender identity

Ireallywantsomechips · 09/02/2021 18:34

This is a sincere question which is probably hugely offensive to some but I genuinely don’t understand.

If you do not identify as a woman but are using the biologically female parts of you to reproduce is that not somewhat hypocritical?

Covidcorvid · 09/02/2021 18:33

@Coconutfatfeast

The hospital I gave birth at refer to breastfeeding as chestfeeding on their Facebook page and refuse to use the words woman/mother on any of their social media. They use birthing parent. I’m not a birthing parent, I’m a mother!!!

I wish women would comment to this effect on all such fb posts. Non stop.

Coconutfatfeast · 09/02/2021 18:28

The hospital I gave birth at refer to breastfeeding as chestfeeding on their Facebook page and refuse to use the words woman/mother on any of their social media. They use birthing parent. I’m not a birthing parent, I’m a mother!!!

nicky7654 · 09/02/2021 18:28

Hilarious 😆

Original poster

Mulletsaremisunderstood · 09/02/2021 18:23

@merrymouse

From the report:

“We also recognise that there is currently biological essentialism and transphobia present within elements of mainstream birth narratives and discourse”

Biological essentialism????

Yeah, what does biological essentialism even mean? Believing in biology?

It reads like some TRA propaganda leaflet.

OP posts:

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/02/2021 18:19

Stupid TRA language.

merrymouse · 09/02/2021 18:17

From the report:

“We also recognise that there is currently biological essentialism and transphobia present within elements of mainstream birth narratives and discourse”

Biological essentialism????

Dancingrandomly · 09/02/2021 18:16

@Covidcorvid

I can’t read the whole article.

But from what I can read I’m fairly annoyed.

I’m a midwife, we’ve been approached by TRAs telling us to modify our official language in such ways, we’ve always refused. We offer women centred care and 99.9% of our service users identify as women.

Of course we would “be kind” if we had an individual who didn’t identify as a woman. We would happily use their preferred pronouns, whatever name they wanted and refer to them as a man, use the term chest feeding, etc.

But we are not taking language away in official policies, etc. Words matter.

That great to read Covidcorvid.

PerpetuallyUnderwhelmed · 09/02/2021 18:13

My god, why were there no objections during the presumably lengthy process to approve this?!

Comments on The Times article are gratifying at least.

gardenbird48 · 09/02/2021 18:11

this is so awful, I'm running out of words.

Dancingrandomly · 09/02/2021 18:08

@babybabyMilkno

I don’t understand sorry if I put this clumsily and offend anyone I have asd so do that a lot

Why does it need to change? Men and women have breasts ? Men and women have chests but you feed from breasts? Men and women can both get breast cancer too so why does it need to change when anatomically both have chests and breasts just women have breasts that produce milk (but can’t some men I’ve read)
I don’t know it’s just confusing

I have often wondered about this too. Men have breast tissue and can get breast cancer. So using the word "chestfeeding" isn't logical in any sense (apart from being another "win" in the the erasure of women perhaps).

Covidcorvid · 09/02/2021 18:01