Breastfeeding is now chestfeeding, Brighton’s trans-friendly midwives are told

Sorry, O somehow got on to an old thread from a link.
Forget this.

Covidcorvid
Re: where you are a midwife
“But we are not taking language away in official policies, etc. Words matter.“

Well done. How are you managing this when so many others have buckled?

The word ‘mother’ already, first and foremost, means ‘a person who has given birth’

Great video.

Thanks for that link

[quote GreenGretel]This 2-min vid shows what's at stake when politicians forget the importance of 'sex': vimeo.com/514423194[/quote]
Wonderful video! ❤️

This 2-min vid shows what's at stake when politicians forget the importance of 'sex': vimeo.com/514423194

[quote Plumbuddle]@MoleSmokes but it's not the POV of medics in their capacity as medics is it. It's defensive medicine, reactive posturing.[/quote]
I agree! 👍

That does seem to be how it is generally used re: mental health in the UK, but it has a very specific and different meaning re: perinatal mortality.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perinatal_mortality

Etymologically, I think we can all agree that 'perinatal' means 'around birth' and 'maternity' relates to being a mother.

For example: www.cntw.nhs.uk/resource-library/perinatal-community-mental-health-team/

I think, on reflection, because they often start supporting mum during pregnancy and then can continue afterwards for a while.

For the mother rather. It's a highly specialised and tailored service with no or v low waiting times obviously as it needs to be immediate.

From my experience, "perinatal" is mainly used wrt perinatal mental health. As this covers both post natal and ante natal depression and anxiety, of the woman.

@MoleSmokes but it's not the POV of medics in their capacity as medics is it. It's defensive medicine, reactive posturing.

Even the inaccessibility and unfamiliarity of the terminology seems regressive, suggesting that the POV is that of medics rather than mothers.

”Are there laws or policies that affect men that are being challenged by trans ideology?”

Everything in the Equality Act under the Protected Characteristics of Sex and Sexuality impacts on both men and women when “gender” and “gender identity” are incorrectly and illegally given precedence.

The nature and/or degree of impact might differ but the EA does not only protect, and is not intended to only protect, women and lesbians.

For example, in the NHS where “Single Sex Ward” really means “Single Gender Ward”: men might feel that the inclusion of a transman is to the detriment of their privacy and dignity and presents the risk of an accusation of inappropriate behaviour, when that behaviour would be acceptable or tolerated in a single-sex male setting.

Thank you Merrymouse.

The idea that ‘perinatal’ is just a catch all term is wrong.

The other issue is that the WHO distinguishes between perinatal mortality and maternal mortality.

Are there laws or policies that affect men that are being challenged by trans ideology?

Arguably this policy does if a man being treated for breast cancer has to walk through a hospital full of signs telling him that only feminine people can be comfortable with the word ‘breast’.

I don’t see how it can’t be a problem if the WHO and the NHS use the same word to refer to a period covering either the first week or the first year of life.

merrymouse that’s interesting. Certainly the WHO definition is the one I have been familiar with. I am not sure extending perinatal to cover the whole course is helpful, and I would have been startled to hear an ANC appointment at 22 weeks described as perinatal because there was no sign I was about to have a very prem baby! In the WHO definition it covers the period starting when the foetus is viable for birth (I think). It affects how things like maternal and neonatal deaths are counted. This to me goes to the heart of the issue - accuracy of the stats that we use for understanding what is happening to who in public services. I genuinely think that would lead to better services for everybody. If lots of people in healthcare assign different meanings to words we will get bad accidents happening. I could be wrong though as it’s been a while since I worked in the field so perhaps my understanding of the definitions is out of date even not regarding trans inclusive language. Anyone in here in maternity care currently who can be definitive?

Are there laws or policies that affect men that are being challenged by trans ideology?

It just seems now whether it's a TM or TW, the push is to erase or redefine what a woman is, does, or can do.

@ErrolThe Dragon Wonderful. That puts it in its place.

On a lighter note:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-must-protect-our-chickens-from-the-language-police-whq3nzctd?shareToken=782b2914e7837343f362e88544b9619a

I have found different definitions of ‘perinatal’
The following articles start with definitions:

www.who.int/maternal_child_adolescent/topics/maternal/maternal_perinatal/en/

“The perinatal period
The perinatal period commences at 22 completed weeks (154 days) of gestation and ends seven completed days after birth. Perinatal and maternal health are closely linked.

Perinatal mortality refers to the number of stillbirths and deaths in the first week of life (early neonatal mortality).”

www.sabp.nhs.uk/our-services/mental-health/perinatal/what-does-perinatal-mean

“Perinatal is the period of time when you become pregnant and up to a year after giving birth.”

However ‘maternity’ doesn’t seem to require a definition...🤔

www.gloshospitals.nhs.uk/our-services/services-we-offer/maternity/