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Gender doublethink

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thirdfiddle · 09/02/2021 17:18

There's this little logic hop that happens in genderist arguments. You define something one way, look at some data or make an argument, then change your definition and pretend the same conclusion applies.

Classical example is women (biological) need separate sports categories due to different physiology. Change definition of women to gender identity and descriptor of women to "afab". Conclusion no longer holds - it's now "afab" people who need separate sports categories in their terminology, but genderists conveniently don't notice that.

Use a wide definition of health conditions mainly diagnosed at puberty and casting no shadow of doubt on a person's sex, and declare 2% of the population "are intersex". Change definition and say intersex means babies for whom their sex is ambiguous at birth - boom, 2% of babies have an ambiguous sex at birth. Allsorts told my child that in a school assembly recently Shock

Refuse to record sex, record self-ID gender instead - no reason to segregate prisons by sex, look, sexual offences by women are on the rise.

You can't even tell if trans women are in your changing rooms, they pass so well. So you mustn't query any obviously male person as you can't know how they identify.

Changing rooms all have enclosed cubicles so you're being bigoted not to want penises in the communal women only showers.

Any more?

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ChakaDakotaRegina · 10/02/2021 00:25

@PermanentTemporary

1. Gender is always unknowable by others.
  1. If you misgender someone else, it is always your fault and they are due an apology from you.
  2. Any combination of pronouns such as she/they is legitimate whether they form any kind of coherent whole or not.
  3. Any error in pronoun use is always your fault and they are due an apology from you.
  4. It is not yet decided whether a person's language disability/inability to use pronouns trumps gender creativity in the stakes of who is most marginalised. But it's probably your fault.
This Star

Also:

You should never assume someone’s gender. Looks don’t matter. Genitals don’t matter. It’s feelings that are important.

How are you going to know someone is trans? Genital inspections? You won’t be able to tell

LurkyMcLurkLurk · 10/02/2021 00:06

Using gendered words like women, girls or mothers to discuss issues relating to female biology is reductive and insulting.
Much better to use terms like cervix havers, or vagina owners or birthing people.

womanity · 09/02/2021 23:27

This thread is perfect.

MissingLinker · 09/02/2021 23:27

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KittyValentine · 09/02/2021 23:26

Well, of course- you're bigoted if you don't agree with them! Obviously. How dare you calmly.accept death threats and die bitch suck on my fem cock or the popular lovely you fucking cunt choke on my fem sperm.

I don’t know whether to post Grin or 🤮.

Grin
Nellodee · 09/02/2021 23:22

Non-binary. There exist two genders, and then people like me. But there is still a binary for me to exist outside, even though my existence means there are at least three types of gender.

YouJustDoYou · 09/02/2021 23:16

Disagreeing with a TRA is literal violence but death threats, kerb-stomping, suck-my-dick, choke-on-my-dick, die in a grease fire is perfectly acceptable and justified

Well, of course- you're bigoted if you don't agree with them! Obviously. How dare you calmly.accept death threats and die bitch suck on my fem cock or the popular lovely you fucking cunt choke on my fem sperm.

Heidi1982 · 09/02/2021 23:11

Actually I think the biggest peice of double think is "trans women are women". It is only by maintaining that line that there can be any supposed justification for men in women's spaces or for the distortions of language we are subjected to.

But if they are women what are they transing from? Were they always women, in which case why transition? And the old favourite question that mysteriously never gets answered: what makes them a woman other than the performance of sex stereotypes?

ChakaDakotaRegina · 09/02/2021 23:11

T: allowed in any sex specific space, group, sport, shortlist, word etc that makes them feel safe and accepted and validated.

W: not allowed to chose the sex of the medical practitioner that intimately touches you, in case it hurts their feelings.

KittyValentine · 09/02/2021 23:10

Disagreeing with a TRA is literal violence but death threats, kerb-stomping, suck-my-dick, choke-on-my-dick, die in a grease fire is perfectly acceptable and justified.

Heidi1982 · 09/02/2021 23:06

"Non-binary" women have their breasts cut off./"Non-binary" men put on a dress.

Heidi1982 · 09/02/2021 23:04

"Sex is a spectrum but gender is fixed."/"Gender is not fixed because "non-binary people are valid"".

Late transitioning male "has always been a woman" despite going through male puberty and using penis and testicles to father children./GNC child must be put on blockers to prevent them going through puberty.

YouJustDoYou · 09/02/2021 23:04

As a woman, I am,literally and legally, not allowed my own opinion.

Therefore I must stay silent in what my true thoughts about people not born women but call themselves women are.i don't want to lose my job, after all. Or for my husband to lose his for my thoughts.

If I dare say anything against the current woke-think, I will risk not only losing my.job, and my husband lose his job, but having these frightening activists threaten to kill me, rape me, destroy my family, and destroy my life.

Therefore, my official line is "transwomen are women. Transwomen are whatever they believe themselves to be. I am wrong for thinking xx is xx. I, as a sexual assault survivor, do not take any priority and must accept that transwomen come first. I am fully supportive of shoving myself and my own feelings of safety aside as long as transwomen feel safe and happy. I accept that my own feelings are bigoted, unimportant, have no meaning, and are worthless.

Because that is what legally I am being told.

ChakaDakotaRegina · 09/02/2021 23:03

Some males are not safe in the male toilets, dorms, and showers.

Some females are encouraged to use the male toilets, dorms, and showers.

KittyValentine · 09/02/2021 23:02

Oh, I am finding this thread very interesting! I don’t have any to add but some excellent points here to counter the statements sometimes thrown at us.

Barracker · 09/02/2021 22:55

-Gender identity matters! Inclusivity matters!

--OK, here is a sport for people with your sexed body and genetics AND it is inclusive of all 'gender identities', just as you wanted.

  • F*CK no. I want in with that SEX there. Also, make sure you say you've excluded me from the original category I'm actually eligible for, and then keep excluding the rest of my sex from my new category so they can't join me here.
Barracker · 09/02/2021 22:48

TW: "I am not like this man" = a human right
W: "I am not like this man"= a hate crime

Xpectations · 09/02/2021 22:28

My apologies, I've just re-read the moderation post and see the term ‘trans-IDed males’ is requested not to be used, mods please delete my message, I will rephrase here:
Male people lose on average 1% bone density over 10 years from oestrogen therapy, so the impact on health is a GC dogwhistle.
Also, male people on oestrogen therapy have no physical advantage over women in sports, so sex-segregation is a GC dogwhistle.

Xpectations · 09/02/2021 22:15

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ArabellaScott · 09/02/2021 22:10

transwomen are women (oxymoron)

transrights are human rights (tautology)

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 09/02/2021 21:50

TRAs: TW have been using female toilets for ages, what are you so upset about?

If this is true (highly unlikely), why the push to legislate it? Why is it seen as some kind of achievement then with selfie poses?

Whatwouldscullydo · 09/02/2021 21:43

Words are so important but grammar is not. Using correct grammar is bigoted

Healthcare is shit but records can be falsified further ensuring the care recived or potentially not received is not only shit but dangerous

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 09/02/2021 21:43

Saw this on a womenarehuman page:

Transgender isn't a mental illness but:

"We’ll spiral into depression and commit suicide if you ‘misgender’ (mention our biological sex) or ‘deadname’ (use our former name)."

"I hate my body so much that I want to chop off my genitals / commit suicide."

"Your Honor, I committed this violent / sex crime because I was experiencing gender dysphoria, and it interfered with my ability to think clearly. This mitigating mental state entitles me to a less severe prison sentence."

Eowynthewarrior · 09/02/2021 21:38

Words are so important but grammar is not. Using correct grammar is bigoted.

notyourhandmaid · 09/02/2021 21:33

Trans women 'live as women'.
Trans women are never told to 'just be kind' or expected to put the needs of others before their own or take on caring or domestic duties.

Transgender people are the most oppressed group ever.
Stonewall Champions.

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