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Womb Havers, menstraters but what about women trans?

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Callingallmajortoms · 08/02/2021 20:50

So there has been slot of debate and upset about those terms in medical journals. I don't want any trans bashing I just honestly want to know what the trans women/non binary equivalent is. Like men need prostate checks and checking their scrotom etc.

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CranberriesChoccyAgain · 09/02/2021 16:58

The movement is mainly pushed by TW, and although their inclusive mantra is TWAW, TMAM, non-binary are valid, etc., we know the primary demographic is TW. To have women's issues or products or healthcare not be rephrased as "people with cervixes, uteruses" etc. means it hurts their feelings so it's rewritten to hammer home that they are women, not us. It's ridiculous, and I don't know anyone who's buying it.

HeadIsFucked · 09/02/2021 16:39

I have largely found that many of the same people who will scream that 'menstruators' or 'person with a cervix' is the inclusive way to speak about women, really really dislike 'penis people' or 'scrotum havers' and such. Its..odd.

Aha85 · 09/02/2021 08:04

I think the tweet in this thread captures the situation well

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4152447-The-audacity-of-this-requesting-erasure-of-word-women?pg=1

Women are being told that we have to adapt our language as a kindness to other female people who don't "identify as women", but really it seems to me that it is so that transwomen don't have to be reminded that womanhood is anything other than a frilly dress/long hair/high heels etc. That is why it is a one way street. At the end of the day, it is the transwomen who have more power than transmen. I wonder why Hmm It is almost as if it were something to do with their sex.

AnyOldPrion · 09/02/2021 04:35

This Mayo Clinic commentary carefully avoids use of the word “men” though a coy “males” does slip in there.

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/prostate-cancer/symptoms-causes/syc-20353087#

It does seem unsurprisingly uncommon though, on a brief search.

notyourhandmaid · 09/02/2021 02:53

The fact that this body-part/function language is (mostly) only ever applied to women's health issues is one of the reasons many women start noticing the misogynist thread within trans rights activism.

You are correct in that it would be fairer if it was applied to both men and women. There would still be problems, though, because this depends on having a certain level of education and understanding around body parts and functions.

MaudTheInvincible · 08/02/2021 23:46

@PotholeParadies

No, not ten days. A week apart, Yaniv endorsed "people who bleed" and objected to "person with a prostate".

You couldn't make this up.

Honestly, I don't see how you can have one without the other. Tit for tat, as it were.

PotholeParadies · 08/02/2021 23:09

No, not ten days. A week apart, Yaniv endorsed "people who bleed" and objected to "person with a prostate".

You couldn't make this up.

WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo · 08/02/2021 23:09

Well as long as Jessica is happy who gives a fuck about anyone else hey! Angry

PotholeParadies · 08/02/2021 23:06

Well, Jessica was in favour of "people who bleed" ten days before that. Confused The post quoted from.Tampax is one that went viral because so many women hated it, and found it dehumanising. But Jessica

Womb Havers, menstraters but what about women trans?
Womb Havers, menstraters but what about women trans?
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Callingallmajortoms · 08/02/2021 22:59

@EmpressWitchDoesntBurn

I have no problem with period products being labelled as ‘for people who menstruate’ for example. Or ‘we do this test on people who have a cervix’.

The problem with ‘people who have a cervix’ is that it depends on knowing what it is & whether you’ve got one, so women with learning disabilities or who aren’t fluent in English, for instance, can easily slip through the cracks.

So it would have to include and women, I guess most medically labeled stuff is a mouthful anyway.
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Callingallmajortoms · 08/02/2021 22:56

[quote PotholeParadies]Interesting question.

One very prominent and internationally known trans rights activist, J. Yaniv, had this to say last year-

^Calling trans women "this person with a prostate" is rude and offensive. Not myself, nor @nicespurling
should take that kind of harassment. Completely disgraceful. #LGBTQ2 #LGBTQ^

twitter.com/trustednerd/status/1329159192012353550?s=20[/quote]
Very interesting. I mentioned the extremes does she also against people who menstrate or just prostate people?

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Callingallmajortoms · 08/02/2021 22:55

But I refering to genetically male health should have these labels, making sure that it's equal.

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WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo · 08/02/2021 22:51

@Callingallmajortoms

It is being kind. How could it not be kind to make sure that all have the right to these labels too!
But thats my point. Women are expected to be kind and accept being called menstruators, or cervix havers.

Men aren't expected to be kind and accept being called prostate owners. Or Penis havers. Because they are men and should be known as such.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 08/02/2021 22:42

I have no problem with period products being labelled as ‘for people who menstruate’ for example. Or ‘we do this test on people who have a cervix’.

The problem with ‘people who have a cervix’ is that it depends on knowing what it is & whether you’ve got one, so women with learning disabilities or who aren’t fluent in English, for instance, can easily slip through the cracks.

PotholeParadies · 08/02/2021 22:31

Interesting question.

One very prominent and internationally known trans rights activist, J. Yaniv, had this to say last year-

^Calling trans women "this person with a prostate" is rude and offensive. Not myself, nor @nicespurling
should take that kind of harassment. Completely disgraceful. #LGBTQ2 #LGBTQ^

twitter.com/trustednerd/status/1329159192012353550?s=20

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Callingallmajortoms · 08/02/2021 21:53

Oh wow just googled FWR Mumsnet 😑 it is not painted in a good light

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Callingallmajortoms · 08/02/2021 21:50

I'm sorry I didn't know I couldn't @ happy not to. I mostly just read the fiminist boards sometimes but after thinking about this earlier and looking everywhere I thought I would ask about it.

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SciFiScream · 08/02/2021 21:43

OP - I was told (on one of my early forays into FWR) that it was rude to @ people (in FWR only was the implication)

I've never done it since.

I wonder if anyone else can confirm or deny this?

Just in case you are another newbie.

(Hopefully other posters will confirm or deny - maybe I just got the wrong message)

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Callingallmajortoms · 08/02/2021 21:34

@scifiscream if people want to screen shot people talking about having equal rights especially when involving medical needs then feel free. I think our society needs to change and at this early start of course it's not going to be right there extreme people on both sides.

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Callingallmajortoms · 08/02/2021 21:30

@StanfordPines If were going to live with different terminology with medical things I would rather it was fair and concise. Menstraters, cervix Havers has almost been baiting a way to force hate on the terms their unpleasant and unnecessary. Even if you did both women and people who menstrate. Women/people with cervix

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StanfordPines · 08/02/2021 21:26

I have no problem with period products being labelled as ‘for people who menstruate’ for example. Or ‘we do this test on people who have a cervix’.
It’s the cervix havers and menstruators I hate. It’s so othering.

And you see right. It’s never ‘people who have prostates’ or ‘people who have penises’.

SciFiScream · 08/02/2021 21:25

This feels like the sort of thread that would have lots of answers rife for being screen-shot.

Have I become hopelessly cynical?

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Callingallmajortoms · 08/02/2021 21:23

It is being kind. How could it not be kind to make sure that all have the right to these labels too!

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Callingallmajortoms · 08/02/2021 21:21

Well should feminists be fighting for equality on this? Condoms should be labeled for sperminaters, prostate people, penis Havers and scrotom persons?

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WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo · 08/02/2021 21:20

Because women have to "be kind" which means rolling over and doing what the men tell us to do/be called what the men want to call us.

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