NHS - 8 out of 10 people under 40 will get pregnant within a year...

Merde - is better warn DS that he is at risk there.

Plus those people who need to try and achieve pregnancy or parenthood by a different route need advice specific to their situation.

I agree. It's as though it's trying to avoid offence by not acknowledging all the assumptions made in the article, but the article only makes sense if the reader makes all those assumptions. This has the effect of making clear language taboo.

CaraDuneRedux - good parenting! Gives me hope for the future!

Just brought teen DS up to speed. Very rewarding. A confused WTAF face, followed by incoherent spluttering, followed by a rant about the importance of actual biology.

(Plus a very astute comment that he didnt think this was being driven by actual trans people, he thought it was being driven by holier than though types who want to show how right-on they are.)

For balance it should have said "When a sperm enters a vagina".

Or rather more simple and straightforward " When sperm enters the vagina". No need for re-invention.

I also find the use of indefinite article before ‘vagina’ odd

Me too! You can sense the amount of thought and consideration that has gone into writing such a simple sentence, to the point that it feels over-contrived and very odd indeed.

What’s your point( why do you think this isn’t accurate? Many people get pregnant easily

They do if they are female. You can imagined, maybe, some naive men giving it a go, though. You never know!

It reads like an embarrassed biology teacher trying to explain reproduction to a group of school children.

It’s so bloody insulting.

I also find the use of indefinite article before ‘vagina’ odd.

‘You’ ovulate, but sperm enters ‘a’ vagina. Doesn’t matter which one. Perhaps you can catch one running wild on the moors.

I didn’t pick up on that when I read it. I guess I was just thinking it was meaning couples. I know it’s not couples who get pregnant but lots of people say things like “we’re pregnant”, which isn’t something I do.

Honestly though I haven’t found the NHS in the leaflets and book etc I’ve received in regards to pregnancy to be particularly “woke”. They use the word women all the time.

I have noticed it in some North American videos and websites and it’s more glaring when it’s talking about specific biological issues.

The sentence is one of the best examples of why you need the word woman though.

Is very useful to be able formulate and process the information they are trying to convey here:

"8 out of 10 [people who would expect to be able to get pregnant] will get pregnant..."

This sort of concept is so useful, it's hard to imagine any language on earth not having a one-word term for the thing in square brackets.

Actually - that's a challenge.

Are there any human languages which do not have a one-word term for "adult human female"? At all?

If you're going to encourage writers to replace the word woman, you really need to employ people who also understand logic.

And maths would be nice. Vaguely related thing that make me shake my head yesterday:

twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1358843756213121026

"97 British MPs were asked "If you spin a coin twice, what is the probability of getting two heads"

While most Conservative MPs [though still only 53% of them] selected the correct answer (25%), 77% of Labour MPs failed to answer the simple probability question correctly"

I would agree tibtom.

As long as the signposting is clear then that's fine. Everyone is catered for.

It should read 80% of heterosexual couples where the woman is between 16 and 40 years old.

Transmen shouldn't be included in this statistic because medication, surgery, puberty blockers etc will have a significant impact. They should be directed to their own page with statistics and care information relevant to their situation.

I'm actually really offended by the assigning of species to the 'baby' at birth rather than letting them self-identify when they are older. A very special small percentage may consider themselves to be lizards or frogs or dodos or something and it is taking away their not-human rights to so callously force societal expectations on them in this way.

*All women are asking is that there is extra stuff rather than us being unmentionable, especially when it leads to the nonsensical bollocks on the page the op posted.

I mean it's a fucking publically funded health info service and they have rendered the health info drivel. And apparently either not noticed or cared. Just to delete the word woman asap.*

FWIW I fully agree with all of this, especially the linguistic gymnastics being silly. It's a joke that they couldn't find someone with a better understanding of the issues to word their articles.

I’ve sent my complaint.

It comes to something when the National bloody Health Service apparently don’t know which sex can get pregnant.

The infertility page lists stuff for both men and women.

I only copied a bit.

That's ok notfabulous!

All women are asking is that there is extra stuff rather than us being unmentionable, especially when it leads to the nonsensical bollocks on the page the op posted.

I mean it's a fucking publically funded health info service and they have rendered the health info drivel. And apparently either not noticed or cared. Just to delete the word woman asap.

@NiceGerbil sorry my first post was aimed at the discussion from the OP, my second post was about the LGBT page.

@NiceGerbil ugh that other page sounds awful. It must be really shit to be in a TTC lesbian couple and to have to wade through all that crap on one hand and all the "just shag when you ovulate" stuff aimed at M/F relationships.

I'm all for a page for LGBT+ people who want to have a baby. It's the erasing of women in such a cackhanded way on the first page that's pissed me off.

Why can it never be both?

Oh and on infertility

'Infertility in women
Infertility is commonly caused by problems with ovulation (the monthly release of an egg from the ovaries).

Some problems stop an egg being released at all, while others prevent an egg being released during some cycles but not others'

Zero issues naming us when we're malfunctioning