Alison Phipps

The fact that Phipps then turned to twitter to say she was a victim of hate tweeting took the cake. An academic stating women ‘victimized’ rape and sexual assaults, being ‘victimized’ by women pointing out how offensive that article was. What a surprise...

Seriously? words fail me.

I don't think anyone could accuse her of being feminist, no.

Huh! Alison thinks BAME women who disagree with her are 'white feminists'. Well no one could accuse Alison of being one could they?

Reading through those 7 steps though. All seems ok until you get to 'stop calling the manager'. Not only is this absolutely tone deaf now that Karen is 'a thing' and I don't know when this was written but it seems to tie into Phipps other work about 'white feminism' and 'tears', but Phipps for all the expertise she is claiming does not propose a solution.

So, girls and women - stop complaining it is making things hard for other minorities. It it YOUR fault for making it hard for other minorities so SHUT UP. That is the way I read it. I understand her point but she is pointing blame at women instead of where it belongs, the institutions who 'virtue signal' but don't ever fix the systemic problems

White and middle-class feminists have called for more police, more convictions and longer sentences – and when something goes wrong in our workplaces, we ask the manager to sort it out. And when we turn to authority, we legitimate and bolster that authority. In our efforts to address personal abuses of power, we turn to the institutional power that facilitates them. In thinking we can be safe in our institutions by punishing the ‘bad’ men, we conceal the fact that the institution itself is unsafe.

I am not an academic, but nothing in this paragraph shows any empathy for others who have been attacked and is stating clearly that anyone calling for punishment is deluded that punishment will make it better for anyone else. Just the opposite.

There is also a difference between punishment and accountability. Punishment is a passive and impersonal process – the person who has been harmed hands over their power and is kept in the dark (although nevertheless it requires a huge amount of courage and work). Accountability, in contrast, is both personal and active. For Mia Mingus, accountability requires four steps from someone who has caused harm: self-reflection, apology, repair, and changed behaviour. It centres the person who has been harmed, their understanding of why the behaviour was harmful and their definition of what constitutes repair. It makes space for that repair, acknowledging that none of us is above causing harm and we may all need that space someday. It is the job of the perpetrator and not the survivor, and requires significant community input and support.

is just make believe wishful thinking.... As other's had stated. Putting victim and perpetrator in a tent and after extensive 'counselling' believing that the perp will never do it again. I guess I am just too cynical and worn down from life to think that this is true. I WISH I could be that naive again.

Sadly, it seems this person consults on these issues and influences policy around these issues. That is where the issues lie and I see it repeated on many of these threads. The belief that laws and policies should reflect the idyll or the future utopia and not the gut wrenching reality.

That and the victim shaming for wanting justice, the playing the 'white feminist' card, makes it despicable.

The fact that Phipps then turned to twitter to say she was a victim of hate tweeting took the cake. An academic stating women ‘victimized’ rape and sexual assaults, being ‘victimized’ by women pointing out how offensive that article was. What a surprise...

JCJ writes an excellent burn.
How can someone disappear so far down an intellectual rabbit hole to come up with such nonsense?

Well the first half or so is ok then it goes bonkers.

Carceral feminists... Boo to women who want rapists sent to prison!

Having sexual offences illegal in law.. what a waste of time! (I mean yes I'm practice but the solution...)

'For Mia Mingus, accountability requires four steps from someone who has caused harm: self-reflection, apology, repair, and changed behaviour. It centres the person who has been harmed, their understanding of why the behaviour was harmful and their definition of what constitutes repair. It makes space for that repair, acknowledging that none of us is above causing harm and we may all need that space someday. It is the job of the perpetrator and not the survivor, and requires significant community input and support.'

Erm. Sounds like a sort of 60s commune thing where the rapist and the raped woman sit in a tent with a load of Brady pontificators while they say ok and hmmm what do you want now then?

Fuck that

The implication that the law etc works for white women is insulting as well.

It doesn't work for any women. It works even less for women who have extra axes of oppression- what is intersectionality was originally about.

So white women who are sexually assaulted or raped get a better outcome than other women. And for all of them it's pretty much zero interest.

So come and sit in a tent and make it up with your assailant!

Yay!

Fucks sake.

The abstract of that article is actually disgusting. I can't believe this passes for academic argument - it's completely repugnant.

The bailey, an outrageous argument, in this case, let's abolish prisons and single sex toilets and aren't rape victims whiney bitches for going to the police.

The motte, the sensible argument, universities aren't solving the problem of sexual violence, they just shunt it from institution to institution.

Ignore the motte, the bailiey is where the action is, the bailey is what they actually want.

Great link to Dr Jones's superb analysis Hallouminate. Sums up Phipps and all the gender woo 'thinkers', no substantive arguments about GC feminism just falsehoods and misdirection.

Really have not got any time for Phipps with her nonsensical claims and impenetrable bullshit ideas, although not quite as terrible as Butler it must be said. Tried with her book and life is just too short for all that gobbledegook. Ahrens excellent review for Radical Notion (1) sums the Phipps, Me Not You book up unimpressive, unfocused, unconvincing and unhelpful

theradicalnotion.org/activism-as-ethical-consumerism-a-review-of-me-not-you/

I wish academics would write in accessible language.

I'm a woman & a rape survivor. I feel I have a stake in what she writes about it.

I have a masters, which required a massive thesis, and I write regularly in my job. But I find this impenetrable! Perhaps it's because it is about something that is real life to me, not academic. I probably can't read about rape without having a very mild trauma response which will affect my brain's ability to pull meaning from it.

It kind of feels unfair of her though.

I did see her quoted on twitter. It seemed she was likening women reporting rape to the (hideous, misogynist) Karen thing. It seemed as logical as ACAB. I mean I personally have never reported any of the sex crimes against me because I don't trust the police & criminal justice system not to re traumatise me. But I don't think having no police is the answer! I want better fucking police! In a lawless situation I would expect those with physical and structural power to dominate, which is surely white men?

It seems as if it's women like AP for whom the term 'white fragility' was invented. You know the type, who will pedantically correct you when you use a term that's not quite in line with current progressive etiquette but is terrified that the world will find out about her own unacceptable thoughts and feelings. All while living in a nice period property in lily-white Brighton, with adorable floppy-haired children and home-made biscuits, both tastefully displayed on social media. A bit like an academic Nigella but with a double helping of hypocrisy. (Also Nigella actually seems to have a sense of humour.) I wish academics wouldn't do this, and I can understand why JCJ finds it so infuriating.

Ouch. Can't say she doesn't deserve it though.

twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1358761383354109955 (archive)

Maybe stop weaponising your fragile bourgeois white femininity to try and protect yourself and deflect warranted critique when people call you on your shit hey?

"I'm a survivor myself and when people critique my misogynist crap I retreat and feel vulnerable and apparently when I do that I am not weaponising anything or engaging in political whiteness because that's only something those bitches over there do."

"And just imagine how terrible it must be when those bitches do it to people who are really vulnerable because those people are really vulnerable unlike those nasty cows who are just weaponsing their white-lady tears (which are totally different from my white lady tears obvs) in order to hurt people who actually matter and this description of political whiteness in no way looks like a perfect description of trans activism and anyone who thinks it does is just an hetropatriarchal colonial bigot natch."

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If you give a fuck about anti-colonialism go and talk to the women in Nigeria about what is happening there you absolute fucking hypocrite.

Where they still have child marriage and FGM and breast ironing, and are still being called privileged bitches by trans activists and their allies.

Now, run along and weaponise your trauma against the nasty evil women who are just such awful terrible meanies to poor little you when really you did nothing at all other than tell women who want some ind of social recognition and recompense for the way they are violated day in and day out of being a bunch of nasty racist bourgeois Karens.

And yes, please go right ahead and quote tweet me as further evidence of your 'political whiteness.'

God I despise you.

So I looked into her a bit and I found this
genderate.wordpress.com/2021/02/05/seven-lessons/

I looked too, and found this:
janeclarejones.com/2020/01/15/unreasonable-ideas-a-reply-to-alison-phipps/
Which I highly recommend.

Dr Jane clare Jones is not impressed

twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1358567449122271232?s=21

Just had a peak, and definitely not something that is easy or at all pleasurable to read.

Over-arching theories and ideologies are one thing, but meanwhile we live in the real world, and the characteristics of that real world impact on people and on groups of people.

The thing about over-arching 'the right side of history' arguments and movements, is that they see the present and the people in it as collateral damage; as dispensable. As a price worth paying to achieve the promised land.